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In my checking of gun prices on different sites, I am under the impression, for the prices I've seen posted, that A. H. Fox SxS's, command a higher price than an Ansley H.Fox of equal condition and grade. I am wondering why this is? Is this an actual fact, and if so, why, after Ansley himself said that the Ansley H. Fox was the finest gun he had ever made and was the best in the world? It seems I have read that somewhere? Was this just him spouting off or what?
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There's a difference???...Geo
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George,
There is a difference as far as name for sure. I have an Ansley H. Fox, and it is so marked on the receiver, but there are A. H.Fox guns, also so marked. I seem to remember reading that after Ansley sold the company to Savage he formed a new company and made a newly designed sxs, called the "Ansley H. Fox"??? My memory wasn't the first thing to go, but has definitely suffered from the aging process !!!
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Binko, I'm the last guy around here to dispute shotgun history with another sxs buff, but I don't think that is the history of the Fox company I remember from McIntosh's book. Don't worry, somebody smarter than us will come along and probably set us both straight...Geo
I seems to me that Ansley was involved with Baltimore Arms and when that failed he got some more investors and started Fox. I think he and the investors (Gotchalk, maybe) fell out and he went on to manufacture cars or bicycles or something and never was involved with guns again.
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Binko: Ansley didn't sell the A.H. Fox Co. to Savage. Ansley H. was long gone making cars & other stuff by that time. My Fox guns are marked "ANSLEY H. FOX" on each side of the receiver and "MADE BY THE A.H. FOX GUN CO. PHILA, PA USA" on the top of the left barrel. The early Sterlingworths (pin guns) are marked "STERLINGWORTH" on each side of the receiver and "THE STERLINGWORTH COMPANY" on top of the left barrel. The gradual transition from the Philadelphia Arms Company until it's last breath with SAVAGE went through several bankruptcies and owners. I don't have a Savage produced Fox and so I can't say for sure how they were marked but I believe valuation grade for grade would be about the same until you get to the very end of the lower grade Foxs.
By the way, Mike McIntosh notes that everything Ansley Fox ever made was advertised by him to be "THE BEST --- IN THE WORLD" even the 25MM brass framed WWI "Very Pistol" flare gun.
Just My Humble Opinion.......George
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A Fox by any other name would shoot as sweet.....
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I believe that y'all might have caught me in a "Senior Moment", but with this fresh cold, I seem to have caught over the weekend, I don't feel well enough to go check to see what I thought I read...boy I sure though that I had seen a Fox with only A. H. Fox on the receiver. I just can't trust myself anymore @#$%^&*()!!!
Thanks All,
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I believe the graded Fox guns made in Philadelphia and Utica were marked the same on the receiver sides; the barrels are stamped differently. The various stamps and engraving styles can be viewed at http://www.foxcollectors.com.The Philly-made Sterlingworths were stamped "Sterlingworth" while the Savage-made Sterlingworths were stamped "Fox Sterlingworth". Then there is the Fox Model "B", made by Savage, which is basically the same as a Stevens 311.
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Early SW "pin" guns were stamped "The Sterlingworth Co." both sides the action bar as well as left barrel. Somehow, I think later SWs were stamped both Sterlingworth AND Fox Sterlingworth (perhaps having something to do with the Savage Utica SWs) BICBWBT!!!
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This name business was a big deal in 1905 and 06. Ansley had left Philadelphia Arms Co. in December 1904, and they were marketting doubles which had either A.H. FOX or just FOX on the sides of the receiver. Ansley's new company the A.H. Fox Gun Co. marked the sides of their receivers with the full name ANSLEY H. FOX. The A.H. Fox Gun Co. advertising in 1905 and 06 made a big deal of "none genuine without the full name ANSLEY H. FOX on the receiver" and "Not connected with Philadelphia Arms Co."
A few late Savage SP-/SPE-Grades had just A.H. Fox on the sides of the receivers, but most didn't have any name on the receivers.
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