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Here is another picture of the top of the action. It is the gun on the right. It has a cross-hatched patterm engraved across the top of the nickle-plated receiver. I also have a similar engraving on the Greener crossbolt to the second photo.  Compare to this photo of a sxs by Neumann & Cie: 
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rooster steel is quite common on ordinary belgian pieces like this one. more prestigious steel like: poldi-anticorro, exelsior whitten or sir jos whitworths fcs is mostly found on better quality guns. the crest on the barrel looks out of place on that peasant gun. perhaps it belonged to grounds keeper at some central or eastern euro estate. the master must have been quite a screwge! PS. i did see rooster steel on better quality blne with name 'populaire' engraved on the trigger plate. luvly lil' 16ga built on 20ga frame,......light as a feather. too bad previous owner had chambers punched out to 70mm.  I realize this may not be a "prime" piece, but in the arena I'm able to afford, it is a grand find. "Peasant" is a harsh term, but I guess it fits, since you would probably classify the current owner as one as well. Frankly, the quality of this gun is far superior to many American Arms I've owned. But nonetheless, this peasant will be content with his "ordinary Belgian" trash. You see, it's all this Methodist Minister can afford. What with all the "screwges" being so generous.
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Is the Neumann & Cie by Neumann freres of Liege, Belgium? With the stippling, punch point, fleck, the sideclips and frame similarities to a Sauer, it looks Germanic and there was a Franz Neumann of Suhl. Does the left eagle of the doubled headed eagle have a sword in its claws or can you tell what is in the shield? For now I would guess it to be post 1898 and pre-WWI.
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Is the Neumann & Cie by Neumann freres of Liege, Belgium? With the stippling, punch point, fleck, the sideclips and frame similarities to a Sauer, it looks Germanic and there was a Franz Neumann of Suhl. Does the left eagle of the doubled headed eagle have a sword in its claws or can you tell what is in the shield? For now I would guess it to be post 1898 and pre-WWI.
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rse Eagle is holding sword in right claw and orb or crown in left, just as in the Austrian Hungarian Imperial Standard. The shied across the body is divided into three segments with a lion on the left, and everything exactly as per the AH Imperial Standard. As I have said, this old gun is in excellent mechanical shape, save a slight wobble (needs to be put back on face). I'm planning on shooting it using my light blackpowder loads in 2 1/2" rollcrimped cases (3.1 cc (45.6 gr.) FFG with 1 oz. 7 1/2 shot). Again, the bores are pristine and no pitting.
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Maybe so, but certainly a heck of a lot better quality than most of the junk being sold here in the US that's manufactured in Russia -- Balkal. You know, I haven't asked the opinions as to worth or status, only an inquiry as to history. Get over yourselves! Really!!
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being of ploretarian stock i have to say there is nothing wrong with good ole' peasants piece. had to get rid of four guns and now use 6lb1oz $300 wwi vintage model 12 20ga with 25" barrels. an american classic that's genuine "pork, beans, and dark bread" affair. minister, just don't hurt yourself by using that belgian clunker.
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izhevsky 43 ejector with walnut furniture is actually pretty decent shotgun. it's hellishy strong gun capable of digesting "nail loads".
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being of ploretarian stock i have to say there is nothing wrong with good ole' peasants piece. had to get rid of four guns and now use 6lb1oz $300 wwi vintage model 12 20ga with 25" barrels. an american classic that's genuine "pork, beans, and dark bread" affair. minister, just don't hurt yourself by using that belgian clunker. Given the condition, and the loads I am contemplating, I doubt I'll hurt myself. Pressures will be quite low and the barrels are fluid steel, not twist or damascus. Just curious, but what American Classic are you describing?
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Pulled the lock off on the right side and found it was stamped with an "H". Similarly, so is the reciever group and the barrel group. I had made an assumption that this gun was serial numbered as H11 or HT11. Given the appearance of the gun and also the single H stamp now found in several places, I'm wondering if this is indeed a Max Neumann gun. If so, what would that mean in terms of history and reliability?
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