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#121855 11/16/08 01:49 PM
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I have a load from the 2004 Hodgen manual that calls for Remington STS hulls, 20.8 grns. of Universal, Win 209 primer, WAA12R wad that has 7,300 psi and 1180 fps. Seems like a nice light load for my St. Etienne 12ga. I`ll have to cut these hulls down and since i`ve never reloaded shotgun ammo I was hoping you fine folks could run me through the process of prepping hulls. I have a Lee Load-All ( no press bashing-LOL ) and would also like to know at what stages do I have to shim up to load the 2 1/2". I`ll have to make a 1/4" shim plate to fit it. I`d also like to know if a star crimp will be o.k. or should I use a roll ? I`ve been shooting 2 1/2" Westly Richards Game Load`s with great success but just figured i`d try my hand at reloads. I also thought about just reloading the WR`s but these hulls look pretty thin.
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I can't see any reason why you shouldn't put the load in a standard 2 3/4" case and fire it. The low pressure should not cause any problems in the shorter chamber. It is common practice for Eley to load ammo intended for 2 1/2" chamber guns and put it in a 2 3/4" case such as the old Grand Prix loading. Lagopus.....

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Burch,
The Remington STS, Nitro, Premier, Game Loads etc are basically the same internally. The only difference is that the STS, Premier and Nitros have a real brass head, the others if brass looking are plated steel.
I also reload Rem. that are cut to 2 5/16" that I roll crimp. I use 12.1 grs. Win AA Lite powder, Win. AA12SL wad, Rem. 209 primers with 1 0z. shot. 970 fps. and 5500 psi. No felt recoil. I shoot these in a 1892 WW GReener with 2 1/2" chambers and they are very nice. This same load in a 2 3/4" 6 crimp is also a very nice low-pressure, low velocity that works for me in hunting also.
The Remingtons cut to 2 5/16" gives me enough to use 1-.030 overshot card and a very nice roll crimp. If you leave the hull at 2 1/2" the roll crimp will look very ugly.
If you look at the Hodgdon site you will see this load using Remington hulls or Winchester. http://data.hodgdon.com/shotshell_load.asp


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So when I cut these down what all is involved in prepping the hulls ? The Hodgen manual doesn`t say anything about the crimp type so can I just use the 6 crimp with the data I listed above.


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You have to make sure that there is enough room in the hull after loading your componants to allow for a 6 crimp (fold, and after cutting them down and using your componants I don't think there will be. If there isn't at least 1/4" of free space then your fold crimp won't meet in the center and you will have a hole where the pellets might come out. You could also put an overshot card on top of the shot to stop that.
If you are going to shoot this all the time and want 2 1/2" hulls and your componants don't work then you will have to find something that does. That is why I said I cut the Remingtons to 2 5/16" with the componants I used and roll crimped them.
I forgot to mention in the other post, but one of the most important things to have is a scale, either a beam or digital.
You also might want to look for another wad, unless you have a lot, because they are no longer made. You might fnd a substitution.

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I have reloading equipment and have been reloading for my pistols and rifles for a long time so my Dillon balance beem will work for that. I just haven`t ever reloaded shotshells before. Someone gave me the Lee Load-All and since I have it I may as well use it. I know the Load-All isn`t high dollar stuff but it was free so if it ticks me off too bad i`ll just pitch it. I`ll contact Ballistic Products and find out if they have components and maybe some data for these hulls. I have some data for English Game Loads but everything is for the Multi-Hulls and Fioochi Hulls.


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go ahead and cut your shells to 2 1/2", buy some 16 ga over shot cards from Balistic Products or wherever you can find them. Put one in on top of your shot and run the shells through your press, without adjusting the shell height on the crimp station. You should get a normal crimp, but the center will be missing. The card keeps the shot in place. I and others have been doing this for years.


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I have been losding this load for a few months. I find that I have to put a cork spacer under the shot to get a crimp that doesn't crater. Loading number 9 shot I put a thin over shot card as well. The eight point crimp works well when you get the cam adjusted and they make some nice looking loads.

Claybuster makes a replacement wad for the Winchester wad.

The Hogden manual also gives about the same recipe for the WinAA hull. I have found that with the newer hulls the side walls buckle. The old WinAA hulls, both red and silver do just fine though.




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Do you have to cut the WAA12R down to fit or does the data in these manuals factor that in, The data I found in the 2004 Hogden is for a 2-1/2" shell. Also, when I cut these hulls down do I cut them from inside the rim or is the 2-1/2" an over all length ? I`m thinking it`s from the inside of the rim since your chamber is the length your after but I could be wrong.

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The 2 1/2" measurement is the overall length for the fired (that is to say, uncrimped shell) because this is the longest length the shell will attain, and this is what should fit in the chamber which is that 2 1/2" length. Some folks are said to use longer shells in short chambers, but I do not do so since it's not too tough to cut the shells to length. I have used one of the 2 1/2" loads with all Winchester components from the Hodgden manual and found that it fit properly in a folded-crimp configuration and gave a well-crimped shell (shoots well too). Good luck on rigging the Lee Loader for a short shell; I went with a MEC press and their spacer kit. Skiving the shell mouth after trimming it to length will probably help to make a good crimp. If you choose to use a rolled crimp, it will give a tad more room for components in the shell since the rolled crimp requires less of the shell's material than a folded crimp; this could be an advantage or it could require extra wads to fill the extra space in the shell to make things come out even.

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