Hello,
A friend of mine just received a very nice double from Germany and we have not been able to find anything about the maker.
Any info will be much appreciated.
I seem to have lost my ability to post pictures (alas, the Picasa albums I used to employ are no longer there).
Here is an album with some relevant pictures:
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipMbj8IXO4MC-N9yJAgQeXKVEuvXPQ36xQ7rS5w4Thanks in advance,
JC
JC, lovely to see you surface. From what city did ole Hausmann hail? There were a couple from Zella-Mehlis but I don't know of a L. Haussman right off the cuff.
Cheers,
Raimey
rse
JayCee,
Picasa evolved into Google Photos. If you want to post a link to some pictures in your Google Photos account, you need to select all the photos you would like to share (there is a checkmark in the upper left hand corner of each picture). Then, in the blue bar that forms at the top of the page after you have checkmarked all the pictures you want, there is an icon that looks like a "constellation" for lack of a better term. It's basically three dots interconnected by lines. When you click that, a window will pop up and you must select "Get Link". Google will create a link for you and you should be able to copy it and paste it here. That SHOULD work, but I've never tried to use that link in a forum - only when sharing pictures with others through email. I hope that helps.
According to the adverts, Hausmann is not German. Rather they are Austrian, from Ferlach.
Mike
Hello FSJ,
Thanks for your instructions!
Here is the "created link":
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kZQSgvRAc3dhFFcL9Hope it works. (In the not so distant past I used to share instruction for posting photos here, now I feel rather daft!).
Best.
JC
Yeah, a Gustloff Werke / BSW / Waffa / Simson offering from 1943 & maybe the Gustloff G was worn down & the owner's name, L. Hausmann, added to the floorplate?
Cheers,
Raimey
rse
I can't really tell, but the monogram on the left side of the water-table looks to be that of Gebrüder Adamy & may explain the F.A. initials on the flats?
Cheers,
Raimey
rse
Thank you Raimey,
The "polished" monogram on the left is the same striped G as on the right side.
Here some more photos with some friends.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/WK7474UoQHSApV9b7JC
For now I still hold this to be the Gerüder Adamy trademark?
Cheers,
Raimey
rse
A few more images for those who prefer not to go to the linked image:
Cheers,
Raimey
rse
It kind of looks like the L. Hausmann was added to the gun at a later date??
Yeah, I'm sort of leaning that way also.
Cheers,
Raimey
rse
ellenbr,
The one thing we do know about this double gun, is that it has a real nice set of Krupp Barrels on her.
RGD/Dave
L.C. Smith Man
Yes, interesting steel type stamp w/ the dots fore & aft along w/ the block Gs on most components. I believe the Gustloff Werke Suhl( Berlin-Suhler-Waffen- und Fahrzeugwerke Simson & Co.)either was a part of the Sachsengruppe(konsortium??) or had Sachsengruppe groups to source from. I'm sure the tubes were completed in Suhl but I wonder if they were rolled in Suhl or sourced from Liege or another member of the Sachsengruppe?
Cheers,
Raimey
rse
ellenbr,
Raimey I do believe you are correct the gun is probably a Gustloff Werke and maybe an early one, just because of the Krupp identification type on the Barrels.
In reality it really does not matter where the tubes were rolled, its the Krupp metallurgical process that is really important. I have seen the dots fore & aft on early Krupp barrels before, especially on J.P. Sauer and son's, Suhl produced double guns. With that in mind, more than likely the Krupp barrels on this particular old gun, were most likely rolled in Suhl. However we will probably never actually know.
The old German double gun with it's high grade Krupp barrels is a darn nice Boxlock, especially if the gun is a Gustloff Werke.
RGD/Dave
L.C. Smith Man
Dave:
Well it really does matter to me as the bulk of the tubes used in Suhl were rolled on the backs of the mechanics @ Liege(well figuratively and not literally; well maybe literally). We've run down the trademarks/protections filed by the Suhl compagnies in Belgium & we've seen the same tube touchmarks on Liege offerings as in Suhl; well the ones that weren't worked off the tubes. From circa 1900 till WWII the Germans pretty much had control of Liege, at least the larger concerns where they could source the raw components, which were cheaper in Liege. And it was all about the Benjamins of course. I can't call a German authority on pre-WWII sporting weapons that would say that Suhl blanks were rolled in Suhl.
Cheers,
Raimey
rse
ellenbr,
Raimey roger that!
RGD/Dave
Also, Sauer sourced all(almost all) their blanks from Liege.
The bulk of the German rough bored fluid steel tubes were rolled in Liege and Sauer sought protection in Beligum for their Wildmann trademark from 1896 forward.
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post510980Cheers,
Raimey
rse
ellenbr, some details about the barrels: 72cm long. Chokes, .005 right and .029 left.
Not a usual combination, I think.
You are right about the monogram on the left water table. Trying to get better photos with more contrast.
Best,
JC