Very similar to my J Blanch & Son, metalwork almost identical, lock shape different. I suspect these were B'ham made for the trade and finished by "-".
Will be interested what info comes in.
Surely can NOT be of any use with that SINGLE trigger
Sweet gun
Mike
Many thanks for the laminated steel tutorial, Dr. Drew! Great information.
Mr. Starfire, my admiration of your J. Blanch pictured in a previous recent thread is what got me going in this direction. I like the idea of an elegant 16ga single shot. It's pretty light at five pounds and change; I hope it 'holds' as pretty as it looks.
Well, Mike I'll just have to make do with that lonely little trigger, but it sure is nicely shaped. It will give me something to admire when the squirrels are not biting...Geo
Geo.....I am so glad you picked that gun up; that's why I posted the link. Now the temptation for me is gone. I nearly pulled the trigger on that one! Congratulations and many happy days afield with it.
Gary
Brown notes the Cannon Street address from c.1874 to c.1883.
He also says that Greener took over the firm in 1874. So is it a Needham or Greener ?.
Whatever, its a nice example.
Thanks again, Gary for the lead on this gun. The consignment seller wants to ship to an FFL; maybe the "Brown" address reference will save me the transfer fee...Geo
William Needham was born in 1801 but where he was born and who his parents were is not known. He appears to have been the elder brother of Henry Needham (b.1812 in Birmingham) who traded in Birmingham before moving to Vine Street in London. He also appears to have been related to Joseph Needham (b.1811) of Ashtead Row, Birmingham, who had a son named Joseph Vernon Needham (b.1836), the Birmingham gun maker who was famous for the first successful ejector gun.
In the 1841 census William was recorded living in Sherborne Road, Kings Norton, a few miles south of Birmingham. He was married to Suzannah (b.1801) and they had four sons and three daughters. His second son, Joseph was born in 1828 and became a gun maker, but no more is known about him.
William moved his business in 1841 to Royal Hotel Yard, Temple Row, Birmingham. On 24 June 1843 he patented a tube primer and special nipple (patent No. 9801 also covered under Scottish patent No. 103). In the same year a musket designed by him was rejected by the Board of Ordnance.
In 1845 William moved to London where he opened at 26 Piccadilly trading as William Needham & Co. The name he used from 1849 to 1851 William Needham without the "& Co".
In 1851 the name of the business changed to William & Joseph Needham, but this Joseph does not seem to have been his son, if it had been then the business would have been named William Needham & Son. The Joseph concerned appears to have been Joseph of Ashtead Row. It seems that this Joseph and his son, Joseph Vernon, Needham manufactured guns in Ashtead Row for William (and possibly also for Henry in Vine Street). Joseph was recorded in the 1841 census at Ashtead Row with his wife, Emma (b. 1811), Joseph Vernon (b.1835) and Emily (b.1831). They were also recorded in the 1851 census at 135 Ashtead Row when a second daughter was recorded.
In the 1851 census Suzannah Needham was recorded at 26 Piccadilly as a widow. She was living with Joseph (aged 23) and George Henry and two of her daughters, and a few other more distant members of her family.
In 1851 W & J Needham exhibited at the Great Exhibition "A Patent Self-Priming Gun, Double and Single Guns to Load at the Breech, etc".
On 2 October 1852 Joseph Needham of Ashtead Row, Birmingham registered patent No. 184 for a gun lock and the first successful hammerless needle-fire gun. He is known to have made needle-fire guns on the Rissack design. In 1850 Jean Jacques Rissack of Liege, Belgium patented a needle-fire gun in which the primer was in the base behind the powder as opposed to backing onto the over-powder wad, and the pin was either in the breech plug or on the hammer. Rissack's pistols and gallery rifles were very popular, the cartridges were made by Eley.
In 1853 the name of the London business was changed to Joseph Needham & Co. Almost certainly, the businesses of Henry Needham and William Needham merged and their London business continued at the Piccadilly premises. Almost equally certain is the fact that Henry (II), son of Henry (I), was working for what was then Joseph Needham & Co.
In 1861 Joseph may have died, because in 1861 Joseph Vernon Needham was recorded in business at 108 1/2 New Street, Birmingham. However, in the 1861 census he was recorded as a visitor at a boarding house at 32 Cloudesley Street in Islington, London.
On 22 May 1862 J V Needham registered patent No. 1544 for a sidelever automatic self half-cocking breechloader in which the breech opened by moving the barrels forward (see W J Harvey patent No. 1056/1860 and E Brooks patent No. 1585/1863).
On 14 July 1864 J V Needham registered patent No. 1760 for a revolving sliding breech block and under-lever.
On 30 January 1865 C H Russell and J V Needham registered patent No. 265 for a hinged and sliding breech block. On 20 October 1865 J V Needham and George Henry Needham (known as Henry, son of William Needham) registered patent No. 2709 for a forward facing side-lever which operated external cams each half-cocking the hammers, and simultaneously turning a spindle which retracted the firing pins (No. 2709); the patent also covered an improvement to patent No. 184/1852.
On 22 April 1867 J V Needham took out a further patent on a hinged and sliding breech blocks (No. 1167).
On 8 October 1870 J V Needham's patent No. 2674 covered a side opening breech.
In 1870 the name of the business in London changed to Joseph and Henry Needham. This Henry Needham was the son of Henry of 4 Vine Street, Piccadilly (1849 to 1851) and 5 Meards Court, Wardour Street in London (1850 to 1856).
In the 1871 census J V Needham was recorded living at 108 1/2 New Street, Birmingham, with his wife, Elizabeth, and a daughter, Florence.
In 1872 J V Needham patented a dagger handle (No. 3538), and on 2 January 1873 patent No 31 covered a lever operated extractor and hinged striker.
On 7 April 1874 J V Needham patented the first gun in which the barrels cocked the tumblers and ejectors, it was also the first gun to have an integral ejector mechanism. This was a drop-down and laterally moving barrel action incorporating Francis Bacon's split extractors with a lever and using a powerful mainspring to power the tumblers and eject the fired cartridge cases (No. 1205). The gun was a little difficult to open and close. Although the firm was sold in that year to W W Greener, Needham retained the patent rights and licensed them to many other gun makers reportedly earning himself about £1000 a year. Greener modified the design and used it, as did Holland & Holland.
It seems that J V Needham continued working with Greener because in 1874 the Birmingham business moved to 27 Cannon Street, where it continued to trade under the name of J V Needham. Henry Needham however, left the business and became a manufacturer of electroplated goods, returning to Birmingham by 1891.
On 7 August 1875 J V Needham registered patent No. 2793 for improvements to his patent No. 1205/1874.
In 1876 W W Greener moved the London shop to 53 Piccadilly. He continued to operate the London business under the name of Joseph & Henry Needham, but in 1878 moved the shop to 1a Wilton Place, Knightsbridge.
On 21 February 1879 J V Needham and George Hinton (later of Taunton and patentee of an intercepting bolt) patented under No. 706 a drop-down barrel action, safety devices and, apparently a cartridge (the "Uneedem"). George Hinton may have worked for the firm in Birmingham until 1884.
In 1880 the London shop was at 6 Park Side, Knightsbridge, but no London shop was recorded after that date.
In the 1881 census J V Needham and Elizabeth were recorded living at 46 Duchess Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham, with their daughter.
On 19 February 1881 J V Needham and J T Atkinson patented a two chambered hinged revolver, with magazine and ejector (No. 716) which referred to patent No, 184 of 1852.
On 30 November 1882 J V Needham registered patent No. 5710 for a trigger finger operated safety.
On 2 October 1883 George Henry Needham registered patent No. 4693 for a revolving chamber for drop-down guns and a butt plate safety mechanism.
In about 1883, the 27 Cannon Street, Birmingham factory closed.
0n 21 May 1884 Joseph Needham of Birmingham and T H S Hawker patented a Martini type hinged breech-block action operated by an under-lever or recoil (No. 7995).
In 1887 Greener moved the factory to the Damascus Works, Loveday Street, Birmingham. The factory appears to have ceased trading under the J V Needham name in about 1900 by which time W W Greener was using the Needham name for second and third quality guns. The Damascus Works continued in production until about 1928.
In 1888 Cogswell & Harrison claimed that their "Avant Tout" was first successful ejector gun, but Needham's 1874 patent was moderately successful and clearly preempted the Avant Tout.
The only known records of the Needham firm exist in "Needham's Action Book" currently held by the firm of W W Greener. This book only covers the years 1886 to 1926 and serial numbers 1254 to 5000 and 6001 to 9892, lower numbers are known
Pete
Wonderful gun George. And Pete, thanks for posting the Needham info, good stuff!
Checking through what I have it seems likely that Greeners have the book with your serial number in. Some Needham books were lost but I think you will be in luck with 1830. Nice; no, very nice, example. English singles are not as common as you may think. I would suspect it is black powder proof unless later proofed for nitro. They are usually quite thick at the breech being a single and usually pass without a hitch. I should just seek advice on yours from a respectable gunsmith. Just to give some idea. I had a single 16 bore BP proof gun that had been re-chambered to 12 bore and re-proofed for nitro. They are usually stronger than doubles. Lagopus.....
George, after Gary sent me the pictures I had to have a serious talk with myself not to buy it. I already have two singles--a 16 and a 12 and just love them! Yours is in much better condition than mine. They are incredibly comfortable to carry and are great partridge guns.....who really needs the second shot?
Surely not you.
...who really needs the second shot?
Surely not you.
Well, not if i can get the truck window down fast enough...Geo
PeteM
I was impressed by your excellent review of J.V.Needham. Over the years various articles have reviewed Needham,s relationship with gunmaker George Hinton,here are some of the points raised by others.
In The British Shotgun,Vol;2 by David J. Baker and I.M.Crudgington,On Pages 174&175 there is a review of the ejectors patented by Joseph Needham.According to I.M.Crudgington; a gunmaker by the name of George Hinton [Active as an independent maker at 88 1/2 Aston Street Birmingham,circa 1867]Who joined Needham and worked there for 20 or more years and is believed to have played an important role in perfecting Needhams ejector patent.In any event it would seem that Needham shared the royalties from the patent with George Hinton. By 1885 Hinton,s income was enough to allow him to relocate from Birmingham and purchase the business of George Sheppard a gunmaker of of Taunton.
Hinton is recorded as being in business under his own name at
5,Fore Street,Taunton for more than 40 years.
Boothroyd also records," That George Hinton was the first "maker" of the origional ejector!"
...who really needs the second shot?
Surely not you.
Well, not if i can get the truck window down fast enough...Geo
Your South Georgia shooting brake has windows???
Very good Roy! Thank you.
Pete
Pete, Loved your complete description of the JV Needham. I am a gun dealer in California and have been asked to sell a JV Needham with a damasks barrel, but I know nothing about them. Could you help me out on this? Sorry, I have pictures in my computer, but am new to this site and haven't learned to upload them The s.n. is 10013 and all the parts match this number. The gun is a De Luxe model. If you drop me an e-mail I can send you pictures
Thank you in advance.
Frank
frank@anthonysguns.com
It would seem to me that you are a bit more fond of squirrel than I am!
Back when my knees didn't hurt so much, I used to use a single for snowshoe grouse hunting. The notion that you would actually be sucessful in this endeavor was silly enough that you could probably have carried any gun you liked, including a snub nose .38 revolver, but, my single was an Italian folding "Companion" 12 gauge, imported by Galeif, and with a 30" full choke barrel, it was useful as a balance pole while walking in snowshoes.
At least it was hammerless. Not that it would have mattered.
It was mostly an exercise in getting out of the house and getting some mid-winter exercise, but, I did have a grouse explode from a snowcave right between the tips of my snowshoes on several occasions.
I don't ever remember taking a shot.
Enjoy the new to you gun.
Best,
Ted
i have just joined this forum and need advice and help about my needham loveday birmingham single barrel 2.5 choke cocking trigger on the top also a lever on the top to open the barrels and a number 11 stamped into it ive have looked everywhere on the internet got nowhere
Hello nick45
Welcome on your first postings
Pleased to have you on board
Would you be able to post a picture of your
fine firearm? Sure would assist us in helping you
Again, welcome
Mike
