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According to Gil's notes the pattern was shot at 40 yards.

Yes, 40 yards. As noted, I had 406 shot in the load based on calculation and not actual count. The target at the range is 40 yards from the bench. I verified it with a laser rangefinder. I counted 404 holes inside a not quite 24" diameter circle. Let's say 99.99% in both 24 and 30" circles. With an anodized alloy action and satin chromed exterior on the barrel, it is relatively corrosion resistant. Gil

99% in a 24" or 30" circle at 40 yards makes a Super Fox look like a skeet gun. OK, if you say so.

That is a heck of a 40 yard target(pattern). 40 yards and 99% of pellets inside a 24” circle. Wow. Even for a special set up that is impressive.

Much of the credit, most actually, for the patterns goes to Gil for crafting his loads. But, I found years ago that the Comp N Choke and Kick's brands of choke tubes that my friends at Comp N Choke create are very impressive. I've shot some unbelievably uniform patterns with them. I've watched them make hundreds on their CNC machines and they tell me there's no magic involved in their manufacture, just acute attention to tolerances and quality material.

Stan, thanks for the kind words but the "recipe" was sent to me 12 years ago by a man who developed the load. Following a tested recipe is like baking a Betty Crocker cake. Follow instructions to the letter. I've been fortunate to know folks such as SKB, Hal Abbott, William Lambert of Sumtoy and now Stuart Boswell of Comp N Choke all of whom have helped me in this obsession with loads and turkey guns. I recall meeting Stuart's dad on a dove shoot with you years ago behind his shop. Gil

Here's a pattern I shot yesterday at Floyd's with the same gun at 40 yards, measured with a range finder. The load is 5/8 oz. of #10 tss with a reported velocity of 1189 fps. It will run out of pattern before running out of penetration, the converse of the 13/16 oz. slower load. The circle is 10" OD and contains 101 shot holes. Gil

To get back to the content of the original thread, I have now watched the chap's video, and would be more concerned about the regulation of his cheap Turkish over-under than about the patterns.

His second and fourth shots using the top barrel were about 9 inches higher then the patterns shot with the lower barrel. So are these barrels parallel or was he just unlucky?

Of course trying to get any valid data from a single shot is a bit daft, as we say over here...

HB

HB, I have two "cheap Turkish" S X S doubles, a Yildiz and a Dickinson. Both of them are perfectly regulated. I do realize you were commenting on O/Us, however.

The problems I've seen with "cheap Turkish" O/Us haven't been with regulation, and I've been around some, rather it has always been with inept single triggers.