Jack, you don't wish to continue the discussion because you've been backed into a corner requiring you to talk specifics rather than a "general proposition". You may not like either the Clinton or Obama universal health care proposals, but they are at least quite specific.

Imagine the following exchange in a debate:

McCain: "Senator Clinton, you support universal health care. Could you explain your plan in more detail?"

Clinton: "Senator McCain, it is well-established that universal health care is cheaper and results in a healthier population in many countries that have adopted such plans. How dare you challenge that general proposition!"

McCain: "I wasn't asking you about the general proposition, Senator Clinton. I was asking you to explain YOUR universal health care plan. I think the American voters have a right to know the details."

So do I, Jack.