Ron, thank god we don't agree on everything here; that would be my notion of hell. I take a contrary view to yours. I found nothing polemical or diffused by ideology in jack's messages. He cited the evidence. The evidence wasn't cherry-picked to support his opinion of universal health care. None here faulted the evidence. Jack's presentation of evidence from the world's most distinguished sources has been a solid contribution to the debate, however we may feel either way. I thank him for it. Regards, King