Miller, I think the same about light loads in the 12. In 40 years I have had one such opportunity to hunt such a place that had numerous wild birds and private ownership. I don't disagree about repeaters being banned on quail property. Last thing a responsible hunter wants to have happen is for a covey to be reduced in numbers that imperils its survival. I've heard stories of autos nailing more than five on a coveyrise with and without crossing birds. As for 16s, it's my favorite gauge for quail and woodcock. I'm not shy about using a 20, either. Gil