Mike, the funny thing is, loden--boiled wool, was originally the clothing of the poorer classes. I got mine through Beretta, but though it was a little more than I wanted to pay, it was way less than half of the Jagdhund prices...so I agree with you there. The best deal I ever got on loden pants was in Austria in the Ferlach gunshop of ____ oh shoot--don't get old it ain't good for ya.