Thanks for the inputs. Would that it were a 45-60. I already load that for my brother. (The lucky cuss has an original '76.) The 11.5x50 was actually the Bavarian military cartridge, chambered in their 1869 rifles. Boy would I like to find one of those! Werder, the inventor of the rifle, was from Nuremberg. From a geographic perspective, it makes sense. That cartridge has a slight shoulder, however. Guess I will have to be patient and wait for the chamber casting.