Well, I guess I have not tread on thin ice yet. Some faster powders definitely have more "felt" recoil than 800X. I will try 27 and 28 grains of 800x in some 8 gauge loads and report how it performs at skeet and sporting clays. I think this powder is way over looked by reloaders. Yes, it is an "old school" powder but it outperforms many of the more modern powders by a long way! If someone knows of another powder that can be used in 28 gauge to 8 gauge please let me know. Thank you for your comments.

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