I was finally able to get my hands on a few flats and ran 150 of them through my 1875 era Scottish hammergun last night. All I can say is that they are fantastic! I thought that the 3/4 oz. and no choke would let me down but I was wrong. I was shooting sporting clays and did not find a presentation I could not break. Nothing over 40 yards though. For sure my new go-to round for my short chambered English guns.