Yildiz is what it is, an entry level gun. My 7yr old is a pro with his .410, its light and fits him. I would never disparage him for using it. It's his first O/U and he is proud of it. It always seems that its easy to sh*t on everyone else's guns. It's even easier on a forum to parrot someone else's opinion without actually having used one. So if you are on the fence about Yildiz just go in knowing it is an entry level gun, rough around the edges but a solid gun, and as stated earlier, Turkish guns are getting better for a mass produced gun.