JDW,

Yes, the first two pics are of the pointer looking back over his shoulder, kind of like he's reacting to the sound of a shot. The 2nd two pics are of the setter looking up at a falling bird.

I wish I could have taken super close shots, but the only camera I have is my camera phone, and when you try to zoom too close into the details it just get's fuzzy.

I've looked at them real close with a magnifying glass and do not see any obvious initials, but I know some guys are supposed to have hidden them in certain insignia's, etc.

If you (or anyone) can point out the best books for identifying specifically American gun engravers I'd also appreciate it. I know it's a big topic, but maybe just ones which focus on the big guys -- Spangler, Loy, Kraus, Glahn, etc.

- Nudge