To clarify a couple points, I'd first say that I'm not defending illegal immigration; instead, I'm interested in effective and humane ways to deal with it. Two, to portray these people as merely freeloaders is ignoring some facts. The actuary for the Social Security Administration estimates that undocumented workers paid in $100 billion dollars over the last decade without collecting any benefits. Their households paid $11 billion in taxes. This discussion turns out to be like all the others here. The hard core refuses to grant the possibility of there being two sides to the issue while dismissing dissent as lying. To have integrity, an argument should examine the issue from all sides.
Second time I'm bringing this issue up, from my point of view, because of refusal to acknowledge the issue is significant for many reasons.
If you can break this down into dollars and cents, you claim the taxes collected are estimates, and second you say these folks are 'undocumented', so how can you document taxes collected. To my point, is there a cost, money wise, to incarcerate illegal aliens. Can this cost to taxpayers be documented by the numbers generated by the current administration's agencies. Please note that most states report huge additional costs to state taxpayers, and significant shortfalls in federal obligations to incarcerate illegal aliens.
None of these multiple billions per year include court costs, law enforcement costs, and monetary loses by the victims. Violent crime is trending down across the nation, it is significantly up among illegal immigrants. It is estimated that drunk driving illegal immigrants kill thirteen people per day.
Can you work the numbers so that estimated tax revenues from illegal immigrants offset this one issue on cost to taxpayers. Would you care to discuss the cost to legal citizens for the 'healthcare' entitlement for undocumented patients. Are there hospitals and other health clinics in high illegal alien density areas that have closed, denying help for all, because they can not afford uncompensated services to illegal aliens. Did they close because of wealthy corporate greed or because less revenue was coming in than going out.
Can you consider that these are issues that you're not examining when it comes to cost. No, I didn't say from a compassionate or feeling point of view, but from your choice to look at the cost issue from more than your singular estimated tax revenue point of view.
I think you have other motives and agendas. I don't really look for a response, because you brush of my side of the issue as just pot stirring piss'in down your back. Never the less, I think they're part of all sides of the cost issue with the luxury of ignoring the pain and suffering of the victims.
