I shoot an AYA #2 .410 with 28" barrels, but you have not told us what gauge you would prefer and what grip style. If we recommend a specific new gun, you will be paying retail. Tell us what you want, and maybe someone will come up with a specific gun for you. I like both the Grulla and the AYA and would prefer a rolled engraving at $3000 to a hand engraved $6000 gun. I don't think any of these guns are worth ten grand, no matter who engraved them.