Von Lengerke, gun dealer and shooter, was there from the beginning for sure, Drew. His stamp is on one of the early programs in my collection. As a very important importer and dealer in high grade domestic guns, it is hard to pin his name to any particular brand of gun. However, he got very wealthy on his relationship with Francotte. It seems like nine out of ten early Francottes found in this country have the VL&D logo on the barrels.