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....The unfortunate problem, however, is that the eagle is our national symbol....
....But we still end up losers because of the emotional tug one dead eagle can exert. I don't know whether a large number of vultures die due to ingesting lead. And the point is: Who cares? But people DO care about dead eagles....
....It remains to be seen how that battle will play out as far as our ability to shoot lead ammunition is concerned. I think we're in complete agreement about the ineffectiveness of scientific arguement influencing agenda driven policy. As you know from the past, I've tended to question the emotional benefit enthusiastically handed to the antis, when they can count on some hunters and shooters graying the lines. If it's okay, I'd mix in thoughts about your comments. In this day and age, I think it's a mistake to think that some sense of nationalism is driving sympathy for the death of an eagle. In simplified terms, the eagle manages to be a useful tool for the antihunting agenda, not just the lead is a demon increment. Do any of the raptor advocacy organizations display the Stars and Stripes? When you ask who cares about vultures, shouldn't 'we'? Isn't condor the name given some species of vulture? Doesn't California policy pressure policy for the rest of the nation. Isn't the condor the sole reason legislation was introduced to ban lead projectile use in its range, which apparently has morphed into a hunting lead ban for the entire state? What remains to be seen, the inevitable? As to digging up studies, haven't we been on that merry-go-round before? Isn't there a tendency to either dismiss or ignore? For the purposes of antihunting and gun control legislation, can you produce any studies that show the emotion that you pointed out can be countered with science? 'We' might study how they play the game. Craig, you've wandered far and wide there. Raptor organizations flying the stars and stripes . . .why should they? Have they made a commitment to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic . . . or only to defend raptors? You might say they're being more honest in not flying the Stars and Stripes than are some private sector businesses who do so for . . . well, mainly because it's good for business? And you just turned the condor into a red herring. The only reason we "care" about the condor is the same reason we "care" about all endangered species: Because it's endangered. We didn't dismiss or ignore the studies showing that the ingestion of lead was killing ducks, did we? But we might not have been as willing to accept the evidence presented in those studies if other scientists had done studies presenting evidence to the contrary. It was an "easy sale" because there was really only one side to the argument. The anti-hunters make a lot of noise about our cruel sport. Game agencies and conservation organizations counter that noise (which is based mostly on emotion) with studies showing that: a) Hunting is managed in such a way that it does not harm any of the species we hunt. And b) Hunters and the money they pay for licenses and donate to conservation organizations do far more to help the environment than anti-hunters. We seem to be doing a good job of winning those arguments . . . based on science and facts vs emotion. And here's one for you: In spite of all the school shootings, one sport enjoying phenomenal growth--at least out here in flyover country--is youth trap shooting. Teams sponsored by high schools. You might think that the public would oppose putting guns in the hands of high school students and teaching them to shoot--based on emotion. But there are thousands of kids all over the country doing just that. And it's a darned good thing for the future of hunting. Once you've got kids breaking clay targets, it's only a very short step to turn them into hunters. About the only drawback is the unfortunate fact that most game species aren't as numerous as they have been in the relatively recent past. Pheasants and bobwhites--two very popular gamebirds--being good examples of that problem.
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....The unfortunate problem, however, is that the eagle is our national symbol.... ....Craig, you've wandered far and wide there. Raptor organizations flying the stars and stripes . . .why should they? Have they made a commitment to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic . . . or only to defend raptors? You might say they're being more honest in not flying the Stars and Stripes.... Honestly Larry, I'm not of the opinion that the best of American culture and traditions be switched on and off for convenience. It's awkward to appease an unfortunate problem under the guise of honesty. Truly a happy Easter to you and yours. God bless America and the best of its exceptionalism.
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Ted, Start by reading the National Enquirer. Fox News is the National Enquirer of broadcast "journalism". If making money is your criteria for supporting a President, then Trump may be your guy. If you have grandchildren, you might want to start trying to figure out how you'll explain to them that you gave your support to a man who destroyed the future of their planet. If Trump wins a second term, it will be hard to imagine a future for democracy. Yes, I know the alt right disagrees. But they're too stupid to do otherwise.
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....If you have grandchildren, you might want to start trying to figure out how you'll explain to them that you gave your support to a man who destroyed the future of their planet. If Trump wins a second term, it will be hard to imagine a future for democracy.... When you sit with your grandkids at the dinner table, which one of the nineteen and growing do you want them to worship as the savior of the planet? I suppose you can pick more than one, but you can't roll your eyes when they ask, grandpa, how come white people can't help save the planet.
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Ted, Start by reading the National Enquirer. Fox News is the National Enquirer of broadcast "journalism". If making money is your criteria for supporting a President, then Trump may be your guy. If you have grandchildren, you might want to start trying to figure out how you'll explain to them that you gave your support to a man who destroyed the future of their planet. If Trump wins a second term, it will be hard to imagine a future for democracy. Yes, I know the alt right disagrees. But they're too stupid to do otherwise. I have yet to see a single example of Donald J. Trump destroying anything, much less a planet. What did you teach, hyperbole? Youre good at it. Best, Ted
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pretty much obvious that CNN has handily out performed national enquirer - Fox news isnt even in the running with CNN
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I suppose you can pick more than one, but you can't roll your eyes when they ask, grandpa, how come white people can't help save the planet. I have no love for any of the current Democrat candidates but that was a pathetic comment even for you Craig. White people can't save the planet? What is wrong with you? Really?
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