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Any way of knowing if Mr. Fleischman was shooting a Parker gun in 1900.. Just curious. RWTF


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We have heard of or seen more than one Parker. He seems to have liked Parkers, some of which, like this one, have his ID all over them. One, a nice C Grade, has been owned by more than one PGCA member. I and another collector, unearthed it in Nashville quite a while ago.

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Thanks for the feed-back. Max was a man of taste- if he preferred high grade Parkers-- as did the late George Patton--

I very much liked the story about the 50 cent tip at the cafe-- in some way, makes me think about Gary Cooper and Ernest Hemingway travelling together in Idaho- Hem driving, stopped for gas at some smallish hamlet-- asked the attendant if he'd accept a check (out-of-area bank) and he said that he wanted cash for the fill-up.

Cooper, who often paid even small purchases by personal check, then asked the man if he's accept his personal check-- "Yes, sure, Mr. Cooper" was the reply-- Cooper often did this, knowing that the folks who took his check kept it uncashed, saving it for his autograph-- RWTF

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Foxy, strange you should mention G.S.Patton. Today I was shooting with the owner of Patton's DHE 20 gauge, pictured in The Parker Story. We test fired the DHE and photographed it for the book at my gun club in Germantown, Maryland. It's been a while since I have heard you mention your progeny who reputedly live in Germantown. I wonder if Fleishmann's AAHE would outsell Patton's DHE in an auction?

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Very interesting. Two famous but now deceased Americans --their lives have always fascinated me- George Smith Patton Jr., and Ernest Hemingway. I wonder if the DHE 20 bore might have been with Gen. Patton when he took that fatal ride to go pheasant hunting in occupied Germany with Gen. Gay-- Dec 1945. I believe I read that he also owned and shot a CHE .410 bore, among several other fine shotguns.

I don't believe Hemingway owned or shot any Parker guns, but his friend and hunting pal, Gary Cooper did. One of our daughters gave me for Xmas the book: Ernest Hemingway & Gary Cooper- by Larry E. Morris- and on page 33, the photo of "Coops" shows him holding his Parker 12 bore- the skeleton BP, and the B'tail forearm have me convinced it was a Parker gun, even though his closed hands cover the "give-away" recessed bolt.. RWTF


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Clark Gable gave Gary Cooper his A-1 Special; leaning on the car





Cooper and Gable skeet shooting; Cooper with a M-42 and Gable a Cutts equipped M11




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Patton did some pretty extensive training early in WWII in the area where I live, operating out of Camp Forrest, Tullahoma TN. Rumer has it he was "Killed" three times during those training maneuvers, he must have learned well.

Just today I read an article about his engraved, nickel plated & Ivory handled model 1873 Colt SAA .45. Seems he bought it in 1916 at the age 30 when he went on the Punitive Expedition into Mexico as an aide to General John "Black Jack" Pershing as a 2nd Lieutenant. According to this author on May 14, 1916, he used thisColt & was the only time in his entire military career he ever personally fired on an enemy combatant. He and a group of 10 soldiers were on a Foraging & Reconnaissance trip in 3 Dodge touring cars. Patton had learned that one Colonel Julio Cŕrdenas, 2nd in command to Pancho Villa, was want to slip off to his San Miguelito Ranch to visit his Wife. Patton had reason to believe he was there this day so ordered his men to Drive at high speed toward the ranch & deploy. As they did so three Villistas mounted horses & tried to escape out the gate. As they approached Patton fired his Colt & hit the lead rider in the arm knocking him from his horse. He retreated back inside the ranch. A 2nd rider tried to charge by, Patton shot his gorse, putting them both to the ground. The man tried to rise & was shot by Patton as well as several of his men. When the fight was over neither Patton nor any of his men had received a scratch but all three of the Villistas were dead. The first man Patton had shot from his horse proved to be Cŕrdenas himself. Patton put two notches in the left grip of his Colt & was promoted to 1st LT.


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More Patton background here: Pershing lost his wife and 2 daughters to a tragic fire at Ft. Bliss TX around 1912-- he later was "seeing Patton's sister Bernice, but they never married-- didn't hurt Patton's career- same year 1912- when Jim Thorpe hammered the Olympic games, Patton won the pistol shooting championship, stayed with his Army 1873 Colt SA- even though the Army Ordnance Board was moving towards the Colt 1911 autoloading pistol--

Patton shot with deadly accuracy from his mounted horse, at the other Mexican banditos, who were also moving around his men (armed with 1903 Springfield rifles) and on foot-- Patton was using a Ford Model -T for his "staff car" and returned to Ft. Bliss with 3 dead Mexicans draped over the hood- Pershing nicknamed him "Lt. Sure-Shot"-- RWTF


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Hi Foxy;
The article I read was written by Frank Jardim. Mr Jardfim served as Director of the Patton Museum at Fort Knox KY from2000 to 2007 & apparently did a good deal of research on Patton while in this capacity. The Ivory handled Colt is on display there. He did mention that the three dead Mexicans were strapped across the hoods of the cars like game & carried back to camp which highly impressed Pershing. It would seem though that on this particular mission the Americans had no horses with them, only the three cars which were stated to be Dodge Touring cars, no mention of a Model T Ford on this day.

Patton had broken Cardenas' arm with his shot. A bit later Cardenas feigned surrender but when he got close to a soldier he raised his pistol to ambush him & the soldier shot him dead with his rifle. It was said that Patton claimed a lot of souvenirs, including Cardenas' sword, pistol, saddle, lariat & spurs.
While Patton may not have actually killed any of the three Villistas he did, in fact, play a major role in their deaths & shot that old Colt hogleg quite effectively.


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