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RWTF, let me know if you ever find any firearms regulation that has anything to do with common sense! If the LC was made before Dec.31 1898 no problem shipping to anyone. If it was made 1 Jan. 1899 it has to be shipped through an FFL. The action with nothing else is the firearm because it has the serial number.

OK--fair enough-- To quote the late Gertie Steinway: "A rose is a rose is a rose-and if you have 4 roses, you have some 80 proof whiskey"!!

I am sure things have changed since that WRA sales manual came out in 1938--some for the good, some "Nicht ser gut"!~! Plastic stocked rifles, instead of traditional walnut-- roll engraving, instead of handwork-- No more A&F, VL&A, Ithaca, Parker, L.C. Smith double guns-

WW11 did a great deal to change all the good quality American firearms.
A late friend, a serious Winchester collector and shooter, always preferred pre-WW11 mfg. Winchesters- His theory. Wartime production of military weapons that had greater tolerances than the pre-War M70's, M12's etc-- influenced the post-War production tolerances- and the lack of good domestic walnut for sporting rifles and shotguns, due to the war demands-- Oh well---

Hey Fox, this firearms terminology business gets nuts sometimes. I'm pretty sure someone will be along shortly with about a dozen links to show I'm wrong. I still have to stop and think, is that wooden thingy under my barrels a forearm or a forend??? Some references say a forearm is only found on guns with a one-piece stock, while others say the terms are interchangeable. And the New York Times was still spelling potato with an e at the end up until 1988, but Vice President Dan Qualye became an instant idiot for doing so in 1992.

Meanwhile, poor dumb nca225 is still struggling with the difference between "then" and "than". What chance do illegal immigrants have to assimilate when people born and raised here can't manage to do it?

Well said indeed.. Everything the Gov'ment tries to do to "regulate" our rights under the 2nd. Amendment ends up making no sense at all. Eric Holder and the "Fast and Furious FUBAR" re: Mexican druglords getting firearms from the USA is a prime example.

If I sliced that 12 ga. OO grade "Elsie" receiver/frame in half with an abrasive "chop saw" (we have one in our small metal shop) and sent each half in 2 different shipments, I am sure some BATFE "pencil-dick" would find a way to "bust my chops"-- what a world!

RWTF

Eric Holder . . . I realize this is straying away from guns. However, it made me very angry when Holder was talking about prosecuting CIA officers because they used enhanced interrogation techniques--AUTHORIZED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION--on captured terrorists. In that particular case, Leon Panetta--Obama's CIA Director--stood up for his troops and stopped that from happening.

I've now accumulated the following scrap frames, and will take them over to METL later this spring for composition analysis, along with a few more barrel samples ( @ $75 each )
Will be nice to confirm the frames were AISI 1020.

1890 Early Hunter Arms Fulton �Transition� L.C. Smith Hammerless

1892 New Ithaca (Hammer) Gun

1900 Remington Hammerless Model of 1900

1909 L.C. Smith 00

c. 1927 Crescent Empire No. 60

Good effort Drew.
This will tell for sure & be very interesting to see.
What a great contribution to the knowledge base here.

I hope by then you might have some more cheap guns of the time that are known to warp & twist so as to tell better the difference between a design problem or a metallurgical problem .

It will be good to see if the better guns had bang for the buck in quality of materials.

I feel like throwing some funds at this worthy investigation.

O.M

No problem brother, but thank you.

You've seen this? Scroll past the 1892 Birmingham Proof House Report
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvqRzkg0wEjhAAcFWr8gFi7aPFRsSIJ_hahfDxmrNAU/edit
and
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dnRLZgcuHfx7uFOHvHCUGnGFiLiset-DTTEK8OtPYVA/edit