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Tim: this is huge! We know that Pieper produced the highest grade damascus barrels used on the Remington 1894. 'Pieper P'  Please check out http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfg2hmx7_72xs856hdfAre there any maker's marks on the barrels? Short of dissecting the barrels  I wonder if an x-ray through the barrel section with the letters would show the pattern to be intrinsic to the 'lopin', and not just superficial 'damascene?'
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jOe, if you go to the bladesmith's page you can read about the way he makes them.
Definitely NOT hammered on!
JC
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Puraye showed the pattern in barrels spelling out "Prince Albert" to be formed from the iron and steel arrangment in the lopin, rather than damascene. The American Rifleman article is linked here http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfg2hmx7_162c3zhvkfx
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jOe, if you go to the bladesmith's page you can read about the way he makes them.
Definitely NOT hammered on!
JC What is Mosaic Damascus steel?
This technique is more complicated and time consuming. Using a square tube, 2x2 inches high and 4 inches long. I fill the tube with steel rods of varying dimensions and nickel sheet, this way I create an image that will be visible when the steel is finished. This procedure takes a very long time. I forge weld the “package” together. When it has cooled down, I cut slices that I then forge weld together again, carefully shaping the steel to fit the desired blade or bolster.
How is the coloring done?
I use a boiling solution that is called nitro blue, when the blade is all finished (see “how is it done); I put it in the nitro blue for a few minutes. The Swedish tool steels react well to the blueing solution, the varying alloys in the steels react differently, thus giving me an array of interesting colors. This is the same process that Figiel describes. Sachse also shows examples of this. People seem to react the most when a name is woven into the barrel. There are many examples of this. Sachse shows how a billet is assembled to produce any word or words desired. It is not a skill of the barrel smith but rather the rolling mill. Pete
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Here's Tim's amazing 1894 EE. 
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Thank you for posting my barrels. I believe they were made by Pieper. I have come to believe that they were the only company that ever figured out how to spell out the words in the Damascus pattern. The the number one crew for Pieper was run by a guy named Ballencort (spelling)(I think that was his name) and not only was his crew the one that figured this phenom out, but they were the last to produce Damascus barrels. Not just in there company, but the whole industry. They went out on top!
By the way, that's a beutiful Remington!!!
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Thank you for posting my barrels. I believe they were made by Pieper. I have come to believe that they were the only company that ever figured out how to spell out the words in the Damascus pattern. The the number one crew for Pieper was run by a guy named Ballencort (spelling)(I think that was his name) and not only was his crew the one that figured this phenom out, but they were the last to produce Damascus barrels. Not just in there company, but the whole industry. They went out on top!
By the way, that's a beutiful Remington!!! Tim, What leads you to believe that Pieper was the only company to achieve this? Also that they were the last to produce damascus? Pete
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Pete, a conversation with a gentelman who is a very good friend of mine that was a good friend with Bill Wise and that was his opinion. I think that if there was more people that could have done them there would be more guns out there. I believe that these guns (barrels) are quite rare.
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Pete, I dug up my notes my friend gave me.
Bill Wise spoke with R S and R said he only knows of three gun with names in barrels one was a Purdy probably the Prince of Albert. RS said these guns with the name in them were 'absolutly the holy grail' of barrel's and 'rarity is esquisite'.
The barrel maker worked for Pieper-head man and was the last maker of Damascus barrels when he retired in 1930.
Barrel maker - Jean Delacour
Leige, Belgium
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