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No, James, the ultimate gun was the Winchester Model 61 smoothbore. This was the gun that Fred Routledge of Monroe, Michigan had made up in 1938.
The first Model 61 smoothbores had the Routledge counterbore(.40 caliber 13 inches back from the muzzle. They had a 5/16 in. grooves on the receiver top.
The second style had Winchester counterbore(5/16in. 8 inches back from the muzzle. they were made with both grooved and smooth top receivers(very rare).
The third style were not counterbored and had receivers grooved for scopes.

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The Targo came out around 1948, though Mossberg was hyping it before hand. The complete setup was the gun, screw on choke, gun attached thrower, a hand thrower, targo clays and a net that was to catch the clays you missed so you could reuse them. The gun was a Mossberg model 42TR.






I believe the complete package was call the Mo-Skeet-O. The clays were $6.50 per thousand, that included shipping from NY.

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I have a Remington 510 single shot with the Routledge bore. We used it to keep house finches (called "linnets" in Norhern Cal in my day) and blue jays from eating all the prunes, cherries, etc. Quite legal and politically correct in those days (and highly endorsed by our barn cats....). Now starlings are probably considered "songbirds" in Sonoma County....

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I used to teach Mo-Skeet for a scout camp, back in the 50's (along with riflery and archery). It was a great way to get youngsters interested in moving targets.

The target-thrower was made, I believe, by Mossberg. It did not attach to the gun barrel; rather it was a small version of your standard back-yard target thrower. I still have a couple of dozen of those targets; they are sort of like sporting clays "minis."

We used Remington single shots (Model 513?)with the Routledge bore, and so marked on the barrel. I have a Remington pump smoothbore, about 25 years old, which does not however have that bore.


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The "Routledge" bore was developed by trapshooter Fred Routledge in 1938. The idea was to allow indoor skeet and trap shooting at tiny (2-5/8" dia)clay targets named "Moskeeto". The targets were thrown 75 ft. The Routledge bore would pattern about 80% (92 - #12 pellets) at 35 ft. Winchester made the Mod 61 with the Routledge bore until about 1940 when they designed their own counter bored barrel. It was very similar to the Routledge, but differed in the length of the counter bore and bore dia.

Simmons installed vent ribs on a few Mod 61's making them look a lot like a miniature Mod. 12.

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I typed Targo targets in Google and got several Ebay hits. A lot to be learned here. Thanks.

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I have a rem model 4 falling block smoothbore. Shoots up to LR. My grandfather used to shoot blackbirds for the pot with it. He also used it for years at his job as a janitor/maintance man at a floating gas tank while working for Pacfic Gas & Electric Co. in Fresno. He shot pigeons off of the roof with it.

I still love playing with it.

Jerry

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