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Interesting comments.
LG – this side of the pond we do recognise the value of a gun, but it tends to be an appreciation of the beauty of either shooters or museum pieces. Shooters are used, a lesser grade Greener for rough shooting and grandfather's H&H or Purdey for more formal occasions where it is less likely to get dinged. Personally I never could get worked up over a 1911A for any reason, even if it had ivory grips (or worse, pearl!)However, I can see why someone would pay a premium because it had a famous owner and then lock it away, like some of the gold inlaid presentation guns, as an investment. As for your comment “The first of the British wave was the best to come over” I guess you’re talking guns, as the Mayflower lot were trouble from the word go and everyone from James I to Cromwell wanted riddance of them and their mates!
Small Bore – interesting points; agreed on the lack of proof. Also, I did not know about the addition of 10/15% on the hammer price. Is that an extra fee to the auction house? That, coupled with VAT and duties would erode quite a bit of any saving. Will have to do more sums.
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Kerryman, the cost of new European guns hasn't yet caught up with the drop in value of the $ vs the euro--but it's headed in that direction. I've heard a rumor that new Spanish gun prices may go up as much as 25% on this side of the pond.
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Lowell ....I thought you were talkin Rock n Roll man???? rock on Franc
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Early on, I think the better British guns came over in a wave - the ol'boy's guns were sold by the family before his bones grew cold in the grave. Those American dollars looked pretty good then to those football ruffians!
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Holt's auction prices today sez somebody has money!!
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There is still plenty of money for really nice guns, London sidelocks and high grade Americans. Bet our dollar is still in play at Holt's and these guns will find their way over here. The guns from Continental Europe and the much too common Brummie Ble are a hard sell these days. Just to many of them floating around.
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Thank God for Turkey, eh.
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LG, those "much too common Brummie Ble" sold quite nicely yesterday, along with the BLNE's, too. Of the nine (all but one were 3" guns) fowler/pigeon guns, two SLNE's sold spot on my system estimate, two BLE's sold for 1.7 times my estimate, and five BLNE's sold for 1.8 time my estimate. Looks like big boxlocks draw a pretty healthy premium.
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Did I not say, the "common Brummie Ble." Gamegun choked and proofed. Pigeon guns are a different lot, they make the owners into sports - pigeons or not! ...but mostly not.
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Oh!! Silly me. I thought you were refering to all birmingham boxlocks as "common." OK, so the 12 bore boxlock ejector game gun is the common one? Pigeon guns, fowlers, small bores, big bores, and non-ejectors are not "common?" Don't think I agree with that, but I'll run down the prices in a couple of days.
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