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I have a .22 cal. shotgun with no rifles in the barrel. The choke opening measures .385 in or 9.71 MM. Shoots "22 long shot". I know this is a silly question but what choke would this equal? This gun was made by Stoeger Arms Corporation of New York, with ZEPHYR on barrel. Action by J. G. Anschutz.Should make a good kids target gun. Or rat killer supreme.

Deltaboy;
This gun is made on the order of the old "Rutledge" bore. They were .22 size for a part of their bore, about 6" as I recall then stepped up to a larger bore & choked at the muzzle. At one point in time a game of miniature skeet was attempted to be popularized, called "Mo-Skeet-O". As to amount of choke you would simply have to measure the bore behind the choke & take the difference. A few tests for patterning ability would of course tell you the most as to it's effectiveness.

Miller,

Not to hi-jack the thread, but were did that term, Rutledge, come from?

Pete

Pete; I am a little fuzzy on it's history, but believe it was developed by a Mr Rutledge. Seems he was a designer for either Winchester or Remington, not sure which, maybe neither. I do recall reading about them from years past. Should be someone here with the details on this, Help!! I think that maybe Mossberg had a hand in the Mo-Skeet-O game, but didn't develope the Rutledge Bore.

I remember trying to break small clay targets as a child in the back yard. Trying.

Remington had a 22 based on the 510 series called a Rutledge and it was marked so on the barrel. I can't remember if it was Mossberg or Rem. that had a sort of thrower that attached to the barrel and it threw a small clay target that the shooter could trip. Someone also made a thrower that tossed Ritz type crackers. I thought it looked like fun, but never tried it. I have heard of guys tramping fields with these guns though and wingshooting grasshoppers.

Some of these were made and sold for the museum trade. They are used to whack sparrow sized birds off of branches w/o destroying their value as study skin specimens. They work a WHOLE lot better than rifled barrels.

Inserts are also made for .20 gauge and probably other gauges of shotguns. They are the size and length of a shotsell cartridge and bored to chamber a .22 shotshell off centered so that it can be fired with the normal firing pin.

Brent

I've got one of those cracker throwers. My wife got tired of throwing them but the springer never got tired of eating them:)

My recollection is that Remington made the ultimate gun, a 121 pump. There was an article somewhere about shooting dragonflys with it, I think it may have been in Gun Digest. I don't recall that Purdey made any.

I have a Mossberg smooth bore 22 that was given to me without a bolt or clip. It sat around for years and looked like scrap Iron to me. A little rusty on the outside. One day I ran a patch thrue the barrel and was suprised to see that it was pristine and a smooth bore. Now that explaned why the muzzle was threaded. I thought it was for a silencer. I picked up a bolt at a gun show and a friend made a choke for it. Now when I go carpenter bee hunting I can hit them at 15 feet rather than 5 feet with the cylinder bore.

No, James, the ultimate gun was the Winchester Model 61 smoothbore. This was the gun that Fred Routledge of Monroe, Michigan had made up in 1938.
The first Model 61 smoothbores had the Routledge counterbore(.40 caliber 13 inches back from the muzzle. They had a 5/16 in. grooves on the receiver top.
The second style had Winchester counterbore(5/16in. 8 inches back from the muzzle. they were made with both grooved and smooth top receivers(very rare).
The third style were not counterbored and had receivers grooved for scopes.

The Targo came out around 1948, though Mossberg was hyping it before hand. The complete setup was the gun, screw on choke, gun attached thrower, a hand thrower, targo clays and a net that was to catch the clays you missed so you could reuse them. The gun was a Mossberg model 42TR.






I believe the complete package was call the Mo-Skeet-O. The clays were $6.50 per thousand, that included shipping from NY.

Pete

I have a Remington 510 single shot with the Routledge bore. We used it to keep house finches (called "linnets" in Norhern Cal in my day) and blue jays from eating all the prunes, cherries, etc. Quite legal and politically correct in those days (and highly endorsed by our barn cats....). Now starlings are probably considered "songbirds" in Sonoma County....

I used to teach Mo-Skeet for a scout camp, back in the 50's (along with riflery and archery). It was a great way to get youngsters interested in moving targets.

The target-thrower was made, I believe, by Mossberg. It did not attach to the gun barrel; rather it was a small version of your standard back-yard target thrower. I still have a couple of dozen of those targets; they are sort of like sporting clays "minis."

We used Remington single shots (Model 513?)with the Routledge bore, and so marked on the barrel. I have a Remington pump smoothbore, about 25 years old, which does not however have that bore.

The "Routledge" bore was developed by trapshooter Fred Routledge in 1938. The idea was to allow indoor skeet and trap shooting at tiny (2-5/8" dia)clay targets named "Moskeeto". The targets were thrown 75 ft. The Routledge bore would pattern about 80% (92 - #12 pellets) at 35 ft. Winchester made the Mod 61 with the Routledge bore until about 1940 when they designed their own counter bored barrel. It was very similar to the Routledge, but differed in the length of the counter bore and bore dia.

Simmons installed vent ribs on a few Mod 61's making them look a lot like a miniature Mod. 12.

OB

I typed Targo targets in Google and got several Ebay hits. A lot to be learned here. Thanks.

I have a rem model 4 falling block smoothbore. Shoots up to LR. My grandfather used to shoot blackbirds for the pot with it. He also used it for years at his job as a janitor/maintance man at a floating gas tank while working for Pacfic Gas & Electric Co. in Fresno. He shot pigeons off of the roof with it.

I still love playing with it.

Jerry