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A friend has a pre war model 21 12 bore that kicks the snot out of him. He insists that the barrels are marked 2.75 so it can't be short (2.625) chambered. Anyone out there ever check the chamber length on older 21's?
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There is evidence that marked 2 3/4" chambers in the early Winchester Model 21 were actually a little short, around 2 5/8 or so. Had something to do with the paper shells of that period.
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I have a Model 21 in 16 gauge marked 2 3/4 inch on the barrels. It was made, I believe, in 1937. The chambers measure 2 5/8 inches. And yes, it kicks the snot out of me. The short stock does not help. I'm working on getting all of it resolved.
I was told, as Ole Cowboy just stated, it had to do with the roll crimped shells. When they opened, they measured 2 5/8 inches. They were sold as 2 3/4 inch.
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I think it has more to do with the loads being shot rather than the length of the chambers. None of my double guns have had the chambers lengthened but they don't recoil any more than any other gun with the same loads. Get out the old wive's tale alarm.
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Weren't some Winchesters marked 2 9/16? Or did the chambers just measure out to that?
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Weren't some Winchesters marked 2 9/16? No.
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Sure they were!! The early Model 12s were chambered for 2 9/16 inch shells and I have seen that stamped on the barrels.
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The early 16 gauges were chambered for 2 9/16" shells and along with the 20 gauge (which were 2 1/2") were changed to 2 3/4" in 1925. I have seen 2 9/16 stamped on the barrels. And there have been people on this board who have said their 21s were stamped 2 9/16. Don't you remember us talking about it?
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I thought we were talking about M21s. Why would 21s be marked 2 9/16"? They were all made "after the fact".
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Not positive about Win's but many other makers did not standardize the 16 to 2 3/4" as early as they did the 20ga. 2 9/16" chambered 16ga guns were built into the 30's, but have no specific knowledge as to whether a M21 was ever so built or not.
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