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Drew Hause #75807 01/05/08 09:11 AM
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Isn;t that an unusual serial number for a !2 bore? Smith, made in 1911.MDC

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Well done MD
It's a 1919 gun per http://www.lcsmith.org/shotguns/manufacture.html
If the receiver is stamped OO, O, 1, etc. it's pre-1913. If stamped 'Field', 'I', 'S', etc. it's post 1913.

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Drew, neat to find one with those chambers. I brightened the picture up to get more information on it. First I thought it was a 1945 gun, left over parts when Marlin took over. Then realized that the lug was a Regular frame. So the final findings were 1906 ejector gun with the second style joint check (barrel stop), a real nightmare if the little spring breaks. I'm guessing someone had it made, for what I don't know.
It has been argued that some of the trap guns were ordered with 3" chambers and then shot with 2 3/4" loads to give a better pattern going through the forcing cones on the way to the chokes. Why a 2 5/8" chamber, anybodies guess.

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According to drawings in the L C Smith "Plans & Specifications" book standard chamber lengths were 10ga 2 7/8" 12ga 2 3/4" 16ga 2 9/16" & 20ga 2½". The .410 as I recall was first added @ 2½" & later increased to 3" with both 16 & 20 ga's also eventually being upped to 2 3/4".
I would not think increasing the chamber length would have a pattern "Tightening" effect in the days of card & felt wadding. Almost every sourse I ever heard thought the reverse to be true. Many Gunmakers of the day intentionally "Short-Chambered their guns for the purpose of "Improved Patterns".


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2-piper, only going along with what I have read. Another thing is why would avid trap shooters in the 20's buy 3" chambered guns. There had to be a reason, and I don't think it was that the gun was to be used for geese or ducks. These guys were pretty fanatical about the way their guns patterned.


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Chamber length is discussed 'at length' by Researcher and others here
http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1983

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A short chamber and a steep forcing cone will increase recoil and in a LCS this is bad for the head of the stock. Metal wise a LCS is strong but they have a weak stock so it is vital to hold down recoil by using light loads and modifying the chamber. The cost to restock a LCS is often more than the value of the gun.
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JDW;
Shell cases of 3" length were readily available in the 20's. Unless you have absolute knowledge they were in fact using shorter shells in those guns I would think they were likely loading them with the longer hulls to allow a longer wad column for better gas sealing. Card & Felt wadding simply would not obturate enough in the "Gap" to allow for a perfect gas seal,, thus allowing gas to enter the shot charge, not a factor known to increase patterning ability. A longer column would better bridge the gap across the forcing cone.
Otherwise I would simply mark it off to one of the idiosyncrasies of trap shooters & take it with a "Grain of Salt" regardless of the noteriety of the trap shooter.


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Thanks everyone for your input...very helpful

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