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I know it's a bad pic but it's all I have, anyone care to guess the model and grade?
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Can't see the engraving. Best guess Model 1894 DE Grade.
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Here is another picture of the gun. What do you figure it's worth? It's a 10 gauge I believe.
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Looks suspiciously like a C Grade, well I don't know squat about Remington doubles. I think the guy that wrote "Green Book" on Remi Doubles is member of this board. It's time for me to skeedadle off this thread.
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It is a "C" grade, with some interesting checkered side panels, a straight grip, and steel barrels. It doesn't look like a 10 to me.... but if original, I'd say pretty rare. Customers got the guns that they ordered.
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I'll hazard a guess....a "C" Grade ......>$5K.....
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That is a CO-/CEO-Grade Remington Hammerless Double, but that doesn't look like an original Remington stock. If ir is a 10-gauge, they are rather scarce. Only one I've seen before Ben Loving had for sale some years ago, and it was restocked. I don't have a good pic of a straight grip CEO-Grade, but here is one with a half-pistol grip --
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My straight gripped CEO 12ga at the top. IMHO straight grips on Remingtons meant trap guns. Both of my F grade trap guns have straight grips. Ross
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The "F.E. Trap" Grade was by definition a straight grip gun as was the "C.E.O. Trap" Grade. In the 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalogue that lists the "Pigeon Gun" they are also shown and described as having a straight grip. However, all the grades of Remington Hammerless Doubles from A- thru EEO- and the Special could be had with a straight grip at one time or another. While the text for the "A" and "B" grades only said "half or full pistol grip" the late Remington Arms Co. catalogues pictured the AO-/AEO- and the BO-/BEO-Grades with a straight grip?!? Now, just for the sake of argument, what is up with this "F.E. Trap" Grade from Cabela's??? Mighty nice trigger guard. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=11657
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Thats a pretty early number for a F grade. Must be a guard off of an earlier gun? I havent seen a F with checkering behind the receiver either. Is that a scratch or crack on the left side thru the checkering.
It just occurred to my lightning fast brain that the stock is not straight. Maybe somebody used a stock from a pg gun and found a triggerguard off of a dreaded high grade but damascus gun? Damascus is dangerous you know.
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I purchased the 10 GA CEO from Ben Loving that Reseacher refers to and yes it has been restocked. Looking at the photo above and looking at my 10 GA in hand I would have to agree that it sure looks like a 12 GA. Mine is marked on the barrel flats 10 GAUGE 2 7/8.
I also have a KE 12 GA that has a factory original straight grip stock that I purchased 30 years ago at a local gun show. I have not seen another one since. I was wondering if anyone reading this has seen another one out there? MS
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Confirmed from Cabelas: Ross,
Apologies for the delay in response, I have been out of the office. To answer your question, the serial number on the trigger guard tang does not match the water table or the forend.
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Hi Yes MJS, I have a 1900 KE grade 16ga.(later style with concave rib) with original straight stock. And I have seen 4 or 5 but were were all 12ga. gun's. I collect only 16ga Remington's.
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It's a 12 ga., barrels measure 31-15/16".
The water table is stamped "C", it's an ejector so it's a "CE", but what make's it an "O"? The water table has the serial number 1360XX stamped and off to the side a small "F".
The lower tang has the "F" as part of the serial number, F1360XX.
It's a bad restock, the bores are pitted but still measure in at .729 with .030 &.43 choke.
Also on the bottom of the barrels ahead of the flats the letters OEV are stamped vertically with three hash marks over them and perhpas large numbers under them.
More comments?
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A C- or CE-Grade would have Damascus barrels. A CO- or CEO-Grade would have Ordnance Steel barrels. When the Model 1894 was introduced, they all had Damascus barrels. When Remington introduced their Remington and Ordnance Steel barrels in 1897, the written grade designations got an appended R or O. Apparently with the Model 1900s the Remington Steel barrels were considered standard and the grade designations were K- or KE-Grade and if a Model 1900 had Damascus barrels a D was appended to the grade designation -- KD- or KED-Grade.
What you are reading as an F in the serial number on the trigger guard tang is really a P, the Remington Arms Co. inventory letter for Model 1894 doubles. The letter for the Model 1900 doubles is Q.
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Would 2-7/8" chambers be right for this gun?
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Normally the 12-gauge Remington hammerless doubles were chambered 2 5/8 inches, but I'm sure for a graded gun the boys at Ilion would chamber it any length the customer wanted. At the time your gun was made, their ammunition business, UMC at Bridgeport, Conn., would provide loaded 12-gauge paper shells in any length from 2 5/8 to 3 1/4 inch. Just remember that those longer shells were for more and better wadding, not a heavier load. The heaviest smokeless 12-gauge loads offered were 3 1/2 drams equiv. and 1 1/4 ounces of shot. Generally the 3 1/4 dram equiv. and 1 1/4 ounces of shot was considered a better balanced load.
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FYI the CEO I was inquiring about just sold at a general auction for just about $1060 with commission & tax.
My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income. - Errol Flynn
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