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Silver Steel http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_steelSilver Steel or high-carbon bright steel, gets its name from its appearance, due to the high carbon content. It is a very-high carbon steel, or can be thought of as some of the best high-carbon steel. It is defined under the steel specification standards BS-1407. It is a 1% carbon tool steel which can be ground to close tolerances. Usually the range of carbon is minimum 1.10% but as high as 1.20%. It also contains trace elements of 0.35% Mn (range 0.30%-0.40%), 0.40% Cr (range 0.4%-0.5%), 0.30% Si (range 0.1%-0.3%), and also sometimes sulfur (max 0.035%) and phosphorus (max 0.035%). Pete
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Thanks Pete-I just wonder what relation 2007 Silver Steel has to the stuff Greener was talking about in 1835.
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With Mr. Chambers post on "America-Made Damascus", he notes p. 220(which I assume is the same in the 9th edition) for barrel info. There "The wire twist barrels - not an imitation of the figure of coiled wired-were made by Barrois of Paris at the end of last century" with Barrois & Marolles, who seems to have written a text-English translation in 1789, both being noted. William Dupein had a twist gun barrel patent in 1798. And "In 1806 J. Jones patented a method of making barrels from scelps or strips coiled a mandrel so that the edges overlapped, and then welded together at the edges of the strips. Stub barrels, made from old horse-shoe nails, were greatly in vogue at the commencement of this century." A process different from the ones in Spain or France. "The horse-shoe nail stub barrel was the first attempt to produce a figured barrel in England." "Scelp or plain rods were first twisted, afterwards the strips of the horse-shoe nail iron were twisted in like manner; and the introduction of Damascus iron followed shortly afterwards(1820)." Mr. Wiswould and Mr. Adams, both of Birmingham, were given credit.
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All barrels are pattern welded, circa 1700 from India, Turkey or Persia.    Pete
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As always, thanks so much Pete. It certainly appears that the barrel makers were as concerned about ornamentation as they were about utility! And I've found a French website primarily devoted to Damascus blades http://damascus.free.fr/barrel/ Georges Emeriau has provided copies of several articles regarding Wootz. Unfortunately, the best are in French Page web français : http://acier.damas.free.frEnglish web page : http://damascus.free.fr
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Anyway we could ask for this post to be FAQ'd? Too much good info just to disappear.
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I am going to "cross post" this here, I already posted some of it to the American Damascus thread.
Charles Semmer's "Remington Double Shotguns". He has a chapter, though short, on damascus. Pictures of such items as Boston, Boston SJ, Washington, Ohonon, Chine damascus are all there. I have not gone over every b&w picture in the book, but he identifies a good number of patterns. The Remington Museum has a "Salesman's Rod" with sections of various damascus patterns on it. Each was clearly stamped as to the type / figure.
In that chapter Semmer suggests an interest thing. This is not primary source, but more of reminisce of Del Grego. Del Grego claimed that he remembered old time Remington employees talking about making damascus barrels and what hot work it was. Semmer suggests that Remington was not buying finished or rough tubes, but rather forged damascus billets. He further suggests that they may have had an American source.
Again, none of this is primary source and much is speculation on the part of Semmer, I believe. But it does cause me to think. Were there American sources for such a product? Were the British or Belgians exporting these? If there was a source, it would be almost impossible to trace without company records.
Certainly every American gun maker I have looked at in any depth employed a blacksmith or two. Was this part of their duties, at least in some companies?
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Interesting reading, and find, in The Garland Library of the History of Art, Vol. 13, Islamic Art and Architecture, 1976. A c. 1100 manara (minaret-tall and tubular) part of a masdjid (mosque) in Barsian (Isfahan), Iran is show in a 1934 pic  If you zoom the pic, you might be able to pic out a pattern in the bricks very similar to 'Rose Pattern' Bernard II  (Still no flying carpets jOe  )
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Drew, The Garland Library of the History of Art, Vol. 13 ?? Are going through every book in the library or just the reference shelves? It would have never have occured to me to go through 13 volumes for a single picture!  Well done. Pete
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Doc didn't we put a smart bomb down that smoke stack ?
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