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No they are using a regulation to classify person to person sales as a dealer it's a way for control I don't know why this is hard to understand

This has nothing to do with FFL it's making someone who sells a gun a criminal because they don't have an FFL for a private sale

We all know that more stringent guns laws are ahead. Just like the talk about making what the uninformed call assault rifle and the push to make them reclassified to nfa firearms and pay the $200 transfer tax

Here in Houston I know that atf has spoken to a couple of gun show guys that did not have ffl. They know what’s going on.


While the nra is a good organization, I would highly recommend joining the GOA. Gun Owners of America. I think they do a great job and well worth the $25

John Boyd

The actual evidence seems to suggest that the statement above is not telling the whole story. It appears that under the stringent Zero-Tolerance Policy imposed by the Anti-Gun Democrats Joe Biden and Merrick Garland, many FFL's are having their licenses revoked for very minor infractions. And some have had licenses revoked for as few as one minor infraction that did not involve selling to a prohibited person, and had previously been issued a warning as proscribed by law. But even after making corrections, they still had their FFL's revoked. It also appears that some of the so-called "voluntary license surrenders" involve threats, coercion, or the fear of fighting very costly legal battles.

Here are some links to back up what I'm saying:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20220316/atf-targeting-ffls-for-license-revocation

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gu...-licenses-biden-administration-crackdown

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/a...months-since-biden-declared-war-on-guns/

https://www.nssf.org/articles/atfs-zero-tolerance-unrelenting-and-revealing/

https://www.concealedcarry.com/law/unveiling-atfs-abuse-of-power-revoking-ffl-licenses/

Some U.S. Congressmen are taking this seriously too... but as you can see, none of them are Democrats:

https://fischbach.house.gov/2022/6/...of-ffls-from-law-abiding-business-owners

Anyone here can do a simple Google search to see that there are many news stories about this back-door approach to Gun Control. A big problem is that under Anti-Gun Democrats, the definitions of things like "engaged in the business" or "willful violations" change at will. For example, Anti-Gun Democrat Bill Clinton targeted mostly small and part-time dealers who didn't sell many guns. He increased the cost of an FFL from $30.00 to $200.00 to help drive out small operators. The the Anti-Gun Democrat Barack Hussein Obama decided that people who sold only a few guns should be classified as dealers, and would be in violation of Federal Law if they did not have an FFL License. He did that to prevent guns from being sold in private sales without Background Checks. So we had guys getting arrested for selling very few guns without a license, and FFL Dealers forced out of business for selling too few guns.

I never understood, or saw any actual law, that forbids someone from being a gun dealer just because they sell too few guns. I know an Attorney who has a Law License, yet doesn't practice law, and I worked with a lady who maintained and paid to keep a Real Estate License, even though she never sold a house or property. Nurses, Doctors, Barbers, Electricians, etc. can all maintain their licenses without actually practicing their craft, or doing it on a full-time high-volume basis. Why should it be any different for a guy who wishes to be a part-time gun dealer? Where is the Government given the right to say there are too many gun dealers, or forbid a guy from buying guns at wholesale to legally sell to his buddies?

Worst part is that these super strict regulations come from the same Anti-gun Democrat whose drug addict son lied on a Federal Form 4473 to buy a gun, and who also gave around $80 Billion in full automatic rifles, rocket launchers, ammunition, helicopters, and other military hardware to Afghanistan terrorists. That's even worse than the Anti-Gun Democrat Obama Administration illegally selling hundreds of high capacity semi-auto rifles to Drug Cartels in Mexico.

I had a FFL for many years. I got it back in the day because it was a very cheap way to cut out the middle man when buying new guns, ammo and shooting supplies. I would sell a new gun every now and then to a friend, but never very many. The only restriction that I recall to acquiring the FFL was that one had to have actual premises from which to do "business". This was "stretched" to include a separate room in your home, though I was using a separate outbuilding. I renewed it at a very reasonable rate until Bill Clinton came on the federal scene. He made the annual renewal so expensive that it got to the point I no longer felt it was worth my expense and trouble to maintain it (as I recall it jumped from something like $35/yr. to about $200). So, I didn't renew. I received a letter to submit my records to the BATF. I procrastinated because I was uncertain that they were filled out correctly.

Fast forward to a couple years later. It's the fall of the year and I'm on a combine in a soybean field, behind some woods from the highway, and I see a black sedan pull into the field ......... very uncharacteristic. I stopped on the end and was greeted by a BATF agent in a black suit. He requested to see my old records. We went to my shop and I dug them out. He, in a very patient and nice way, pointed out to me the errors in my record-keeping. We went over to my house and made a pot of coffee, sat around the kitchen table and talked for about an hour about the farm, my reasons for ever having a FFL, and the weather. Very pleasant and agreeable chap. When he was ready to go he looked at me and said "It would be in your best interests, and make life easier for me, for you to just renew your FFL and keep on doing what you have been doing". No heavy handed talk or threatening posture whatsoever.

I eventually lost interest in new guns to the point that I quit renewing it again, and never heard another word from them. That was nearly thirty years ago. I would not expect the courteous tone and treatment from agents today that I received that afternoon so long ago.

Actually, as recently as 2 yrs ago, I called a number of BATF offices and found them incredibly courteous. They have always gone out of their way to be helpful to me. No complaints from me.

Well brentD that's great I'm glad you made a phone call and it worked out, the government is trying to make criminal out of honest people who sells a gun to a friend or family member one sale! On a side note Oregon's gun law was struck down by the court this was the terrible proposition 114 ,you couldn't actually get the fbi to do the required background check.also the NRA is the only progun organization that has national clout ,you should join and support your state organization and as many progun organizations that is you can afford .if there are no gun dealers and you can't buy privately what happens next,

I've been a member of the NRA for many years.

I'm not too worried about there being no gun dealers. I've been buying and selling guns for a long time, and I haven't had any trouble yet. Now I can sell anything to anyone on the street so long as I have no reason to believe they are a felon or wife beater. In fact, the governor is giving back the rights of felons to buy guns and vote as well. Pretty much anything goes around here.

Priceless, a half dozen ways to say, nothing to see here, move along.

Pretty much anything goes……for the felons.

Best,
Ted