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Must be in Robert's Pavlovian doghouse again, eh j0j0 d0g!

I have enjoyed your prevocative posts and your bashing of each other but I think you should be picking on each other and leave the other board members out of it, especially the ones who don't enjoy your special kind of fun.

See ya, off to Pintail Point now.

I can't get this poster to stay away from my posts...in the past he has elevated threads to racial hatred...I thought we had agreed to not communicate any further, but he has forgotton...

Now Lowell has chimed in on the damascus thread, again, without any information to offer that may advance everyones understanding of the subject being discussed.

Lowell and homeless have once again began posting without anything constructive to offer...these two individuals are the the reason many timid (yet knowledgeable) contributors will not add to the threads. On past threads, some have suggested the Lowell has been banished from other bullitin systems for this very reason. How many members have to flag his vicious postings before the site administrator takes notice and banishes him as well. Now he's training homeless joe to be the same. Lowell Glenthorne has done more damage to this bullitin system than can be counted...I will not be intimidated by this bully...or his sidekick homeless joe...

Lowell and joe...how dare you muck up this thread...I will meet you on another thread to address all your damaging postings.

I have never found anything offensive, or otherwise, in Mr. Glenthorne's posts.

Pete M's previous post:
"Gaier believes that 1683 is a key date in the development of European damascus gun barrels. The defeat of Kara Mustafa Pasha by Jan III Sobieski at Vienna was a winfall for European gunsmiths. Suddenly thousands of damascus barreled guns could be examined."

This COULD be a foundational observation as to 1. how damascus made it to Europe and 2. why 'pattern welded' iron/steel barrels were developed in the first place.
Islam forbids the depiction of Allah or Muhammed, and the creative/artistic efforts of the different Islamic people groups were focused on Calligraphy and Architecture. There are 6 major script patterns, called Shish Qalam in Persian and Turkish.
These sites are helpful:
http://www.islamicart.com/main/calligraphy/index.html
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/Calligraphy/Islam_Arabic_Calligraphy.html

This is Farsi script called Ta'liq and popular among Persians, Turks, Arabs, and Moslim Indians. The repetitive pattern of swirls is similar to 'Turkish' crolle.



This is Naskh script which is somewhat like 'Horse-shoe' crolle.



Could damascus have originally been inspired by 'Wootz/Crucible' steel (which is NOT pattern welded) and made in an attempt to reproduce Islamic Calligraphic patterns?!?

Found another 'crolle' pattern at http://calligraphyislamic.com/gallery.html

I fail to see the connection between Islam and Fine Damascus gun barrels....truth is I don't want or care to see it.

Great new PictureTrail courtesy of Tom Flanigan showing the step-by-step refinish process!
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=17977891

revdocdrew:

Excellent and informative posts. Do any blades exist that resemble Arabic(or the correct name for the language) words?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse