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I wish ol' Phil was trappin 'yotes in my favorite quail patch out here in the west.
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I'll only mention that the red fox is not native to the United States. It was imported from England for horse and hound hunting. I might ask, how many grey fox were caught and released due to their low value? Not worth the trouble.
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Mike where did your grandfather trap?
I have never asked, but have always assumed it was on and around the old family homestead near Lewisburg, PA. Our family still owns three plots of between 25 & 40 acres but the rest of the area has been developed into McMansions on 5-6 acres. Not much trapping any more.
Mike
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I'll only mention that the red fox is not native to the United States. It was imported from England for horse and hound hunting. I might ask, how many grey fox were caught and released due to their low value? Not worth the trouble.
Thanks,
Kurt ...but then, neither are the ringnecked phez, chukar, Huns, and a few other upland birds that comprise a big portion of what many of us hunt.
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...but then, neither are the ringnecked phez, chukar, Huns, and a few other upland birds that comprise a big portion of what many of us hunt.
So managing one of these non-native species for the benefit of the others shouldn't bother us at all. It didn't bother me before your point, but now reinforces my thoughts.
Mike
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Mike,
Eggzakly. I'm not sure what Ben's point was about mentioning that the red fox is not native. Those gamebirds aren't native either. 'shouldn't matter one way or the other whether they're native or "indigenous" (which just means man didn't migrate them).
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For those of you still 'sorting out their "inner predator" thing, a little suggested reading on the subject, by a philosopher or three:
Bloodties: Nature, Culture, and the Hunt, by Ted Kerasote
A View to Death in the Morning: Hunting and Nature through History, by Matt Cartmill
Songbirds, Truffles and Wolves: An American Naturalist in Italy, by Gary Paul Nabhan
If you don't have time for the above, try Steven Bodio's "On the Edge of the Wild", specifically, the chapters " Struck with Consequence", "The Great Debate", "Private Reconciliation Chili", and "Meat".
Although, one should have 'sorted all these things out well before becoming a member here, in my opinion, but, I digress.
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With all the "quotes" and ambiguous analogies in these posts, it is very hard to tell whether posters agree with volume trapping of fox or disagree. Not everyone makes their point or their attitude clear. My undergraduate composition instructors would turn most of these posts back to the writer for revision for clarity. Personally, if you can trap 2665 foxes in the Lancaster County vicinity in a reasonable amount of time, they needed to be thinned a bit. Of course, clean cut farmers and residential builders need to be thinned a bit also, but it's their land.
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Notwithstanding whether we agree or disagree with the business of trapping, if I were the public relations guy in charge of getting folks to eat more beef, I wouldn't publish pictures of the slaughterhouse operation. If people want to believe that steaks are harmlessly and painlessly removed from the happy cows, let'em believe it...Geo
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