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Republicans want nothing to do with socialized medicine, Bill. Neither do most Americans.
The government accounting office came up with the 20,000 who died, Bill. You can google that. Google �Brian Terry� or �Fast and Furious� at the same time.

Your community organizer is a murderer, Bill. You act as if Trump has slaughtered people and ignore how that simpleton tool of the left actually saw to people being slaughtered.

The climate change crap you spew about is a hoax, Bill.

Best,
Ted

Bill, it would be an honor and a challenge to mix it up a little based on facts and figures, but I see your writing in exactly the same way. You know your tactic is to brush off volumes of effort with a quick cherry picked comment about something you don't like.

In my opinion, it's been quite a few years since I've felt like it's worth a measured, thorough response to one of your likes or dislikes. But, much as you dislike my approach, I will always be sure to sneak in a factual quip about policy and results, not my feelings about personalities.

If all you have is feelings about racism and comparisons to hitler, I'll continue to poke fun at the specific things you bring up, and be sure to frame it with your actual quote. No big deal stuff, you have a great 4th. of July.

It is a little known FACT because you will never read it in a history book nor hear it on a major media network, but a 13th amendment had been proposed, passed both the house & senate, Had Lincolns Support & was awaiting approval by the required number of states for adoption. This amendment gave the South everything it asked for regarding Slavery. It was virtually accepted nationwide it would receive the needed approval

By the states seceding it was guaranteed not to be approved. NowIF it is all so cut & dried that this war was about Nothing but slavery tell me "WHY" did those states secede without waiting to see if this amendment was adopted.

We have been Fed a line of LIES about this war for over 150 years & they were all produced to exonerate Lincoln for waging an Unconstitutional War. Fact is Lincoln had NO respect for the Black Race, he wanted them deported back to Africa from whence they came or to the Caribbeans. They were for the most part Universally Hated throughout the North, they didn't need them as slaves, so they didn't want them in their States, Period. Lincoln is on record as stating the blacks were an inferior race & could NEVER exist on an equal base with whites in society.

Lincoln conived by Illegal & Unconstitutional means to prevent Maryland, Kentucky & Missouri from leaving the Union. In Maryland alone, more than 100 people in key positions were Jailed without the benefit of a fair trial, simply because they dared to disagree with Lincoln.

Just to liven things up a bit here is a picture of me & a 4th cousin of mine. I'm the pale-faced one. It's not a very good picture because of the backlighting & the person taking it didn't know to compensate for it or how.

Never did answer the question Bill.

The division in our country started before Obama. I believe that it began with the controversy over the Bush/Gore Presidential election. Once it was final and Bush declared the President-elect the left never accepted it or got over it.

The terrorist attack of September 11th, 2001 really damaged this country. Not just in loss of life but world standing. I don't think that we have truly ever been the same since. The long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continued the division.

Along comes Obama with his "Hope and Change" nonsense. He promised to fundamentally transform America and he did.

However, not for the better. He divided us even further with identity politics and the blame game. I strongly feel that police officers and other members of law enforcement were ambushed and killed and still have targets on their backs and have lost respect because of the rhetoric put out by Obama, Eric Holder, and others from his administration.

While Trump certainly wasn't the best candidate of choice, the alternative was unacceptable. History will not be kind when they write about the 2016 election. As a country, this was the best we could offer? Clinton is a crook, plain and simple. They tried and failed to force a coronation on us. 2020 is not looking much better. The front runner for the left is a tired, former VP. He was a flawed candidate and person in 1988, and he is a flawed candidate and person now. After him are either whack-a-doodle socialists, or candidates who will say or do anything to pander to a group.

I support the President (like all Americans should do) but he has serious flaws. I always questioned if he has the right temperament. He has done some good things, but I never once believed that Mexico was going to pay for the wall, he has been somewhat ineffective/indecisive with the border, and I wish the childish insults and tweets would stop.

The division continues with the endless lies and distraction of "Russian Collusion." The left hates him and will never accept the results of the election. The hypocrisy of the left is stunning. My fear is, that this will continue no matter who the President is in the future. 2020 and beyond, regardless of results, will be contested and obstructed by the other side.

Young people are being taught that the system is rigged, my generation is racist, and we destroyed the planet. For all of his flaws, J. Edgar Hoover was right about keeping the Communists/Socialists out of our education systems, the workplace, government, and the judicial bench. Sadly, they have infected and become imbedded in them all.

I don't see it getting better. In the end, I believe that Warren is going to be the nominee. The media is dead-set on picking the nominee, and it will be her. She is viewed as the only one who can stand up to Trump. Young people will buy into her hypocritical nonsense about the rich (even though she is), and all Trump will do is waste time calling her "Pocahontas." This will alienate the independents and cost him the women who voted for him because they disliked Clinton so much.

With all I say in this post, history repeats itself. Look back on our history, we have seen this movie before. The concern that I have, is can we rise and overcome it again like in the past. Division and protests are nothing new to Americans. However, the left has severely damaged this country. Like Trump or not, we have to show up in force on election day and vote as many of them as possible out of office.

I think, if it's possible to separate preferences from track record and results, the country has never had a more conservative President. Feelings aside on either side, the entire country has benefited from the prosperity and an atypical consistency.

Ted, I read up on the 20,00 who died. It seems the passage of Obama Care led to a rush of applications that overwhelmed the system. How is that Obamas' fault? Many times 20,000 people died before Obama care because they had no insurance and couldn't pay for care. Passage had to have been a net gain. In my own state 20,000 people now have health insurance for the first time. Many of them would have died otherwise. PS: Of the 20,000 you cited, if they died that quickly, most had to have been so ill they'd have died anyway.

Full of shit you are, Bill. Prior to Obama care passage, anyone without insurance could show up at a hospital emergency room and receive treatment, no questions asked. Hospitals, by law, had to give some health care away, and did. Non profits gave away a bunch.
That ended when the registration for health care began. Those folks were turned away after the unaffordable care act went into place.
They wouldn�t have died, waiting, before, Bill.
My premise is your glorious leader is a murderer, on two fronts, the healthcare front and the weapons unleashed into Mexico. If you force a system of insurance on a population that then overwhelms an aspect of healthcare and allows people to linger without treatment, and die, you have murdered them, Bill. If you allow guns to cross a sovereign border, and those guns are then used to kill people on both sides of that border, you have become an accessory to murder, Bill.

You can sugar coat it any way to wish, but, it doesn�t change the fact that innocents died. And your community organizer bears most of the responsibility.


Best,
Ted

Ted, If everyone could just show up and be treated, what's the point of insurance? There must have been no need.Why do you call it unaffordable? It's the insurance of choice for Americans who had nothing else. Nothing else.Twenty million Americans now have health insurance under Obamacare. Who's full of shit? Keep reading the National Enquirer. It's all the information you're capable of grasping.

So Bill who's your man or democrat showgirl ?