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I have a Simpson which I think was made right before WW II. The Simpson family was Jewish and I don't think it existed after WW II. This gun was shipped to Amberombie and Fitch with 28 in barrels and has been shortened to 26. It seems to be CYL x CYL. If it was made before the war would the chambers be 2.5 or 2 3/4. Also I know using 2 3/4 shells in a 2.5 in chamber would kick more but is it dangerous to shoot 2 3/4 in 2.5 chambers? I do intend to shoot some paper to see how it distributes the shot since I am thinking of using it as a grouse/woodcock gun this fall if I get to make the trip. Thanks for any help.
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Nice problem to have Can you please post pictures of the proof marks And this may assist http://www.shotguns.se/html/germany_1890-1945.html
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most any gun shop will have a chamber gauge...
and for upland shooting, it is hard to beat rst 2 1/2" loads...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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most any gun shop will have a chamber gauge...
and for upland shooting, it is hard to beat rst 2 1/2" loads...
Modern-day chamber gages are made to SAAMI specs. This gun was not made to Saami specs. The chamber gage may, & in fact very often does, give a false reading on older guns.
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murphy, As Skeettx said, we can likely give you more info if you post photos of all markings, including especially proof marks on the bottom of the barrels, near the locking lugs. You had a particular question about choke. Under the prewar system, if a barrel was choked, it would be marked with a crown W. Lacking this mark, it would be cylinder bore. The factory was taken away from the family in the mid 30s and they were able to escape to the USA. In efforts to save the company and efforts to take it, several names were used instead of Simson. At various times, BSW, WAFFA, and Gustloff(?) were used. After the war, all gunmaking in Suhl was taken over by the communists. During this time, the Simson name was again used, to take advantage of their fine reputation. Photos of the markings will help sort this out. After the "wall came down" the Simson family survivors were able to recover some of their property. Of course, the business was gone. Mike
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As someone has already stated the Simson company was Jewish owned, and wound up being taken by the nazis. I spotted a Wehrmacht trainer .22 rifle once at a gunshow with outstanding wood. I thought it was ironic that a Jewish company was building trainers for the nazis...Geo
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It was seized around 1935 by the Nazis. The family fled to the US in 1936. I don't think it was considered a Jewish company after that.
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Simson is one of those companies that's frequently misspelled. (Kinda like Bernardelli.) It was indeed seized by the Nazis, after which it became BSW. Resurrected by the Commies after the war, when Germany split. So some guns marked Simson will be pre-war and made by an independent, Jewish-owned company. Others will be post-war, and made in East Germany. The German date code, among other factors, will tell which are which.
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They did lovely work, this one was made for FW Varney &Co. Berlin/Hamburg, I imagine they were retailers. An early 16 with no date code but very nice work for a nonejector level gun. I had to take it in trade with a Francotte I wanted, I have never shot it. At some point in the distant past stock was cracked and repaired, probably by A&F. The man I got it from received it from his uncle back in the 1960's and he did all his shopping at A&F. Anyone interested send me a PM for more info, I'll take care of Dave.
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