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<<Je feiner der Damast werden soll, desto d�nner muss das gedrehte Band seyn; daher k�nnen dicke L�ufe (B�chsenl�ufe) nur mit einer H�lse gemacht werden.>>

I find this most interesting as it points to the fact that at this juncture in time there was a somewhat different method for making pattern welded tubes(B�chsenl�ufe) that were destined to be rifled.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

"nur mit einer Huelse gemacht warden"= only with a liner made. It has been discussed before that rifled pattern welded barrels were made with a liner which was the part that was rifled.
Mike

Thanks Ford, so in this case >>H�lse<< translates as >>liner<<.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
I believe that is the meaning, although I doubt you will find it in a German/English Dictionary. German hunters and Gunsmiths use different terms for things that don't translate in German to the meaning they have as a "term of art" or "Waidmannsprache"(?).
Mike

I didn't find that definition in my dictionary of German shooting terms, although I did find three other expressions for barrel liner.

xausa,
I hope you are not laboring under the misimpression that this would be the first time I was wrong. What are the other three expressions? What do you think the statement means? Did you find Huelse(?). I am disadvantaged in that I don't have a dictionary of German shooting terms. Does it include antique gunmaking terms?
Mike

I labor under a lot of misapprehensions, but that is not one of them.

"Liner" translates as Futterlauf, Einlegerohr, and Seelenrohr according to W�rterbuch der Waffentechnik, Zusammengesetzt von Joachim G�rtz. They all make sense to me in a Germanic sort of way. Give me an example of the antique gunmaking terms you are referring to.

I have another dictionary called Technisches W�rterbuch f�r Waffenfreunde, Sch�tzen und J�ger, Verlag J. Neumann-Neudamm, Melsungen, but it is much smaller and not nearly as good.

A few pages back >>Futterrohr<<, >>H�lse<, & the French term >>chemise<< are noted as one in the same for liner:


>>b) Gewundene L�ufe, Bandl�ufe( canon � ruban). Uber ein d�nnes wie gew�hnlich geschweisstes Rohr (Futterrohr, H�lse, chemise) f.) wird ein flacher Eisenstab von 6 bis 9 Limien Breite schraubenartig gewunden und unter fleissigem Stauchen (um die Windungen einander zu n�hern) geschweisst Beim Ausbohren dieser L�ufe wird die H�lse ganz wieder weggeschafft Der Vortheil ist.......<<

Might >>Gewundene L�ufe<< be in one of the texts?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Drew, can you aid in attaching an actual image w/ the following types/descriptions from the 1840s?

a)Gedrehte L�ufe(canon tordu,) f.)

b) Gewundene L�ufe, Bandl�ufe( canon � ruban)

c) Damascirte L�ufe (canon damass�, f.)

d) Drahtl�ufe(canon fil�)

Was searching for a few patterns & stumbled upon this video where there are some actual patterns?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa9dlvRDuQU

Z�nobe Th�ophile Gramme's name in a pattern is quite interesting...

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

xausa,
The term I was interested in is "Huelse". The main difference between what I am thinking and the modern use of liner is that now a liner would be a rifled tube inserted into a barrel that has been prepared for it by drilling, boring, and or reaming. It would be held in by solder or commonly, now, adhesive. What I am talking about is one that is not rifled, but is included in the making of the pattern welded barrel by having the wire or bands, or what ever wound around it and welded to it in manufacturing process. After the blank barrel was made, it would then be bored/reamed to size, then rifled. This applied to pattern welded rifle barrels only, not shotgun barrels.
Mike