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I walked away from it. reluctantly but the reality is "what do I have"; a thin walled CE with no resale value and if it was sleeved, it would be worth half.
no where to go. and what was the risk.


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My 1934 era Fox Sterlingworth 20 gauge (DT, AE) does NOT have a barrel weight stamp- just curious- when did A.H. Fox drop this marking? RWTF


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Originally Posted By: Run With The Fox
My 1934 era Fox Sterlingworth 20 gauge (DT, AE) does NOT have a barrel weight stamp- just curious- when did A.H. Fox drop this marking? RWTF


Some do some don't. 4 weight are so lightweight that many of the barrel markings are struck off during fitting. Most of my small bore Foxes are 3 weight and marked as such on the barrels.


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The lightest 12 gauge I have is an H grade Lefever with 28" twist barrels.
Weight is 6˝ lbs & @ 8" from the breech the walls are 0.040" thick. 0.020" at that point would be too thin for comfort in my opinion, regardless of gauge.


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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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I’m glad this topic came up. You fellers are reinforcing my thoughts of destroying the Parker barrels that are .020 just inches ahead of the forcing cones. It’ll be a pretty good financial loss to me but I don’t want to be responsible for a very serious accident down the road. This is the gun that Commonwealth Arsenal sold me and then wouldn’t let me return it for a full refund. Shame because the gun is a GH in very nice little shot condition—even has most all original nitre finish on trigger guard.


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briley tubes to the res que?


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I have an light weight 1S Ithaca Flues 20ga, 28" barrels that has thin tubes. Each is .019/.022" Min and consistent from approx. 9" forward of breach to the chokes. They both have 0.615" bores. Finish is well worn but no abuse to wood or metal. Lock up is tight. Does not appear to have been reblued. Definitely not a safe queen. This gun was shot.

So, how does a gun, that is such a ticking bomb, last this long to now be deemed unsafe with any load? There has to be more to the equation than just the numbers.

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John: Buck Hamlin was given an extremely well-used damascus barrel Lefever with a burst right barrel just past the forend tip. The barrel wall thickness at the rupture point was .010”, and the chamber was 2 5/8”.
With the intent to rupture the left barrel, Buck measured the bore diameter and started his effort with a box of 2 3/4” 1 5/8 oz. short magnums. After 25 shells the left barrel had no change in bore diameter. He then lengthened the chamber to 3”, and following 25 1 7/8 oz. magnums (lead #2 and BB) there was still no change in bore diameter.
Buck then lengthened the chamber to 3 1/2” and used 3 1/2” 2 1/4 oz. lead turkey loads. The left barrel blew after only a few shots. The wall thickness at the rupture point, which was almost aligned with the bursting point of the right side tube, also measured .010”.

That is of course not to say any other gun would survive that trial.

In the Birmingham Proof House Trial reported in 1891, there was not attempt to measure pressures of the increasing loads used. IF the pressure increase had been linear, the pressure at Phase 1 failure for the first place barrel would have been 4.66 X 11,500 (piezoelectric transducer) psi = 53,590 psi.
The pressure at Phase 2 failure for the five first place barrels would have been 12.5 X 11,500 psi = 143,750 psi, an extraordinary number.
It must be kept in mind that these were specially bored 30" barrels without chambers and with wall thickness of .150” at 3”, .092” at 6”, .048” at 12” and Minimal Wall Thickness of .035” at 21”.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvqRzkg0wEjhAAcFWr8gFi7aPFRsSIJ_hahfDxmrNAU/edit

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