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Wrong? Darn Stan . . . looks to me like a smokescreen for your own error. I went by your definition of a "big shoot"--"300 participants or more"--looked at only 2 of them. And guess what? BOTH were exceptions to what you told me above. Master class was NOT the biggest class in one case. And in neither case did Master and AA combined have more shooters than all the other classes.

Hey . . . for a guy who tells us we might find a gun that used Whitworth barrels to sleeve it (but can't show an actual example), you're telling me I'm wrong--when I just found two exceptions to what you told me I should expect. Looks to me like you're way "wronger" than I am . . . unless, of course, you can come up an actual example of the exception you proposed . . . as I did.

Eagerly looking forward to seeing a gun that was sleeved using Whitworth barrels . . .

He's veering off course, Stan. Standard tactic.
JR

Veering? Well Mr. Roberts, your definition appeared to be pretty exclusive--and certainly excluded any shoots in this part of the country. Stan's definition was less exclusive: what holds true "at almost every big shoot of 300 participants or more." He didn't say: "Larry, don't look at shoots with 300 participants or more in Wisconsin, because they're an exception to the rule." And Mr. Jankowski made no attempt whatsoever to define a "major shoot", other than to say that there's a huge difference from other shoots. But either couldn't or wouldn't explain what the "huge difference" is.

Kinda hard to have an intelligent discussion if we can't come up with a common definition of what we're talking about. Failing that, in this case, I went back to Stan's criteria (the only one with a quantifiable element: number of participants) and applied it to shoots of that size in WI. Went back and picked up 3 more years' worth of state shoots. Out of 4 of those, in just 1 year did the number of M and AA participants exceed all other classes combined. If I really wanted to load the results, I could have looked at the Iron Man (meets the size criteria) for the last umpteen years, and I'm confident that the lower class numbers would ALWAYS exceed M + AA--by a significant margin. But I thought that wouldn't be fair, so I didn't include that.

But hey . . . if it makes you guys feel better to move the goal posts and tell me that WI shoots are an exception to the rule (even though they meet Stan's size criteria), then I have nothing else to add . . . being unwilling to research shoots of 300+ participants in other states to see if the results are any different.

Hard to win a tag team match when you have no partner Larry.

Just saying.

Hey, man. It's not my criteria. You never stated what you meant by "higher classes". I took the initiative and decided to use M and AA. What was your criteria, Mr. B? I've given you an out here ...........you can answer with anything you want. But, keep in mind, a lot more members than me have "got your number".

Since you won't offer what you meant, I'll step up to the plate. The reasonable way to understand your postulation of higher/lower classes is the top 50% are the higher classes, and the lower 50% are the lower classes. That would put M, AA, A and the top half of B into the higher classes, and the bottom half or B, C, D and E in the lower. You don't even have to include the top half of B in the higher to begin to see that the registrations are heavily weighed toward the higher, not the lower, as you claim.

Gator Cup 2019 - 729 entrants - 440 in M, AA and A

http://www.winscoreonline.com/view_resul...mp;class_id=All



SRH

Larry, major shoots draw most of the master class shooters based on sponsorship requirements as well as money offered and all America points, etc.. that's the difference

I think you guys are confusing mr.Larry...

Top clay target shooters shoot what they think will help them break the most targets. If they thought they could break more targets with a DT sxs, that's what most of them would be shooting. But they don't. By and large they shoot an OU. That's not because they started out with one.

True but no one wants to admit it...

I'm living proof one can miss equally well with anything.

So Stan . . . I accepted your criteria. Both as to size and classes in a "big shoot". And you're complaining because I did . . . and then found that what you said I should expect to find didn't apply to the shoots I looked at? You're awfully darned hard to please.