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Actually, a good friend has an Italian-make hammer pigeon gun with a single trigger. Its a cool gun.

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Originally Posted By: craigd
Originally Posted By: L. Brown
....The fact that you don't see many DT's or pumps in competition these days doesn't have anything to do with the fact they don't work--any more than the fact that you see more automatic transmissions than manual means that stick shifts don't work. If your car with an automatic transmission won't start, you won't be able to solve the problem by popping the clutch....

When it comes to competition, maybe what works and doesn't work, goes hand in hand with what's popular. The better and more serious a wing shooter, the more likely some attention is paid to gun fit. It may not make much sense to worry about fit, and then change the front hand position and length of pull for every double target presentation.

I have never noticed a good shooter, in contention, limp through an event with a major problem like a dead battery, and come through with a win. They come with very reliable equipment, and serious plan B's. For the rest of shooting it only comes down to preferences. Why pay for a Cadillac of a double, and then split hairs about whether it's as reliable as a VW bug or a late sixties Chevelle?


It's a bit hard to pin down "serious" when it comes to competition shooting. If you look at the classifications of shooters at a big shoot (I've both scored and pulled at the Wisconsin Iron Man, where there will be several hundred shooters), you'll likely find more shooters in lower classifications versus higher ones. Which means they possess lesser skills . . . maybe just as "serious", but maybe not. I shoot in a winter skeet league and will likely shoot in a summer league this year. Am I "serious"? Well, I'm not driven to the point that I obsess about score . . . but I do shoot all winter, which requires some degree of "seriousness" if you happen to live in northern WI.

And I don't think I've ever seen anyone change their FRONT hand position between shots at pairs (I know that I don't) due to shooting a DT gun. Some do change their rear hand position a bit. Mine moves very slightly. But, on the other hand, shooting on a cold day, I can't possibly trap the trigger on a DT gun when shooting a pair.

And if you haven't seen issues with even very expensive guns in the hands of very experienced shooters, Craig . . . you need to get out more. Meanwhile, the venerable old Remington 1100, which certainly isn't expensive, has an enviable reputation for reliability.

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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Meanwhile, the venerable old Remington 1100, which certainly isn't expensive, has an enviable reputation for reliability.


Yep, if you've got a drawer full of O-rings, and like to clean a gun meticulously after each use. If not, get a Beretta.

I'm not talking from an armchair. I shot a 1100 so long the magazine tube came out of the receiver (they're soldered in, which is a stupid idea seeing as how other brands are threaded in and can even have the ends reversed). Sent it off, and had it resoldered, and reblued, obviously. Shot it awhile longer. It came out again. It went in the safe like that ................. about 15 years ago. 1100s are okay for the occasional shooter. They're a piece of crap for someone who shoots a lot.

We have a "standing line" for those who shoot sporting clays with us, and shoot autoloaders. When they fail to feed after the first bird on a report pair, and the shooter clears the jam and still kills the second bird, we say "You can always tell a man who started out on a Remington!"

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The 11-87 was an improvement over the 1100, but my experience in Argentina was that if you did not clean it at lunch, you'd shoot single shot all afternoon...Geo

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Stan, I know of quite a few moderate to heavy shooters of 1100s that have had very different experiences. Never heard of so much trouble as you describe.


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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
The 11-87 was an improvement over the 1100, but my experience in Argentina was that if you did not clean it at lunch, you'd shoot single shot all afternoon...Geo


Amen

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Stan, I know of quite a few moderate to heavy shooters of 1100s that have had very different experiences. Never heard of so much trouble as you describe.


And, I know longtime shooters of 1100s who can clear a jam faster than you can say it. That comes from lots of practice.

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How did we get to talking about junk gun like a 1100...shew.

Double triggers were left over from hammer guns.

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Well, I sure am glad I unloaded my 1100 on someone else before it all went south. Especially nice knowing that Frank would approve.


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I always liked an 1100 for skeet. Good skeet guns in 12 ga with their forward weight. Swing great on skeet targets. Better keep them clean, though.


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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
....you'll likely find more shooters in lower classifications versus higher ones. Which means they possess lesser skills . . . maybe just as "serious"....

....I do shoot all winter, which requires some degree of "seriousness" if you happen to live in northern WI.

And I don't think I've ever seen anyone change their FRONT hand position between shots at pairs (I know that I don't) due to shooting a DT gun....

It's not a big deal Larry.

I mentioned the 'winner' as the yardstick to pin down how I was using the term "serious". I wasn't thinking about lower classification seriousness, though clearly through scoring, there is a difference, right?

You mentioned pump guns. Have you ever shot a double with one without moving your front hand? I one hundred percent take your word that you are a serious shooter, but you were the one that had the story about not getting off a second shot because you didn't know the gloves you chose were inappropriate. Maybe, you weren't serious enough to win on that day, or maybe you weighed the value of the fun of being there.

Remington 1100's aside, you previously mentioned it was impossible to not get off a second shot on DT gun as long as you can squeeze a finger in? C'mon Larry, if I'm not mistaken, you've given out advise about getting DT's serviced. Think about it Larry, us fellows that don't get out much, sit around and read stuff from the gun writers.

I appreciate the follow up comments, but weren't you making a point about competion shooting choices not mirroring side by sides and double triggers?

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