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Lots of good infro on this 1924 Neuprez Frères

Left: 17.3/18.4 = choke of .681 / bore of .724
Right: 17.6/ 18.4 = choke of .693
D = 70/20.6 - 70mm / .811" chamber (12g)

The reason I use 2 1/2" shells is they are below the pressure limits I decided were safe for my particular gun. Since you are going to reload, you can certainly use 2 3/4" shells and load to your comfort level on the pressures. Personally if I reload for a gun with 2 1/2" chambers I might still use the longer plastic shells (thinner walls projecting into forcing cone than paper shells) but with the pressure still appropriate for the gun. You can go to a roll crimp and lower the pressure a bit too. Lower pressure doesn't necessarily mean lower velocity.

If a fellow wanted to have some factory loads, here is another option for the older 12ga double:

"Federal Vintage Gold Medal Ammunition 12 Gauge 2-3/4" 7/8 oz #7-1/2 Shot Box of 25 (Not for Use in Semi-Autos)
This vintage ammunition was produced specifically for MidwayUSA to the following specifications:

7/8 oz shot, 1200 feet per second velocity, 5,000 pounds of chamber pressure

These specifications were designed to be kind and gentle to all older break-open shotguns that are safe to shoot with modern ammunition. This ammunition is also ideal for trap and skeet practice, or for use as a light game load - wherever a 20 gauge load would be acceptable."

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=417403&t=11082005

I have shot a lot of this and it has delivered very good performance.

Doug

Jigman, considering all said above Doug's suggestion sounds very sound.

OTOH, if you shoot well with a 28 and reload, I don't see a need for more than
a 7/8oz load in the old girl.

JMTC.

Nice find btw.

JC(AL)

Hey!!! Just found some marks on this gun I had not seen before.
On underside of bbls just behind the male piece that inserts into the forend is "JM" and just forward of that piece is "JO".

Also, just in front of where it reads Choke on the bbls there is some strange markings that may be greek or something. Nore symbols than letters that are very small. Plus, here are some new Pix.

Also just found (opposite of the other two sets of initials on bbls) an "LJ"

Jman, do follow instruction posted above for picture taking. We'll all profit.
A lot of detail can be had with little effort and inexpensive equipment.
Here is an example:


JC(AL)

Well, I just got back from shooting 4 rounds of 5-stand with the little gem today and it performed remarkably. Its a keeper and I shot it wayyy better than I do American Classics with their large amount of drop. This guns has more modern dimensions and I shot it equal to my 30" Browning GTS scores. The bbl length is only 26 3/4 too!. This will be a fantastic upland gun. I shot 1oz Win AA Xtra lites #8. I'm not exactly sure of pressu in those but heard they were in the 8-9000 PSI range.I will load up some 7/8 and 1oz loads next week in the 6-7500PSI range for future use though. The gun was very comfy to shoot and seemed to handle the Win Factory fodder just fine. Anybody know what PSI range those 1oz win extra lights are? I think this gun will be fine for this season and I will send it off to a master double smith next spring.

Well, diligence paid off...finally found and ID'd the maker of my new Guild gun. Here is my final piece of evidence. My gun has two of these trademarks on it the LJ and the "S".

It was built by a legion of belgians all of which were reputable.