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Steve's back! Must be time to use Dave's forum for a little more free advertising.

It would be inappropriate for Trinidad or any other gunsmithing school to advertise their services here, and it would be inappropriate for a gun book author to use this site as a vehicle of free advertising to promote and sell their books. But SDH-MT must think he is special.

Stevie hasn't been around for a while. But I was sure he'd come back when he had more classes to hawk or more books to sell.

I came across a post from our host and forum administrator Dave Weber where he stated how much it pisses him off when people take advantage of him by using his forum for free advertising. I'll post that quote later in the week when I am back at my PC.

too bad

Steven, It's good to see your classes being offered again. I hope they'll fill quickly . I'd remind participants to bring their fly rods. The Yellowstone should be prime.

the demise of this forum is very sad

It's good to see you teaching those willing to learn. Not a lot of places on this earth that you can get this level of instruction in a short time.

To all the haters, go pound sand. Anyone can be a critic. There are very few that can produce the level of quality Steven does. And much less willing to pass along that art.

James

It is sad. Those of us who appreciate custom firearms are such a small fraction of the firearms community, it is unfortunate that a small number of people can ruin one of the few places we have to share our passion. It is not like Steve could run an add in one of the gun rags and get 1000's of people to attend his class. Sites like this are one of the only avenues available to reach that niche audience. Steve, I hope when time allows I can attend one of your classes. Maybe even ask James really nicely if I can stop by his place and peek over his shoulder for a few minutes on my way out.

John Holliger

John, do you think it would be appropriate for Trinidad College or Pennsylvania Gunsmithing school to advertise their classes in this forum, or in the main Doublegunshop shotgun forum?

There is a proper place to sell things here. SDH-MT is using it right now to sell a gun. Dave Weber has informed us that he is often willing to accept advertising in the For Sale section for non-doublegun things, subject to his approval and payment of the customary fee.

I have some philosophical and political differences with gunsmith member SKB, Steve Bertram. But giving credit where credit is due, go to the DIY Gunsmithing forum and see how much useful help and advice SKB has provided compared to SDH-MT. There is no comparison. Steve Bertram has shared lots of good advice. It is apparent that SDH-MT is here mainly to benefit himself. Just my opinion, as always, based entirely upon what I see and read here. And I held my tongue concerning SDH-MT until he launched into me while defending his Liberal pal rocky mtn bill. I think that makes him fair game. I don't expect you will agree, but I can deal with it.

Keith. if Dave is concerned about Steven's postings, he's perfectly capable of dealing with it himself. Has he appointed you moderator? If not, why don't you cease your repetitive carping and go read a book? Better yet, why don't you, David K. Italian SxS and your sad little hand full of fans start your own site where you can rule supreme and ban all us folks who are sick and tired of your sorry commentary?

+1

I've seen the haters bullshit drive off very knowledgeable posters on other sites. A guy by the name of Rod Henrickson comes to mind.

Sorry to see you go Steven.

You have some pretty sharp comments yourself, wouldn't it be better to save those for your own forum? Maybe, we might recognize that we have selective reading skills? A sign of the times?

Just for conversation, it was kind of disappointing to read about using the forums to get something, then announcing to not have any more use for the board when a number is achieved. Plus, parting shots at the forum, not the perceived problem? On a personal note, I had thoughts of signing up for a metal class if I could swing the time needed, but I can understand that door closed.

Keep up the good work Steven. I enjoy your writing very much. The first story I read in Sports Afield every issue. I also enjoy you telling about your classes.

No Billy, Dave has not appointed me Moderator. But he has in fact told us his feelings about being taken advantage of by people who use his forum for personal gain. I said I would post a quote from Dave where he said that when I get back to my own PC... And I will.

I can certainly understand why you find commentary from guys like me, Dave K, or James M.(ItalianSxS) offensive, because we don't think it is very bright for gun owners to support anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats who are hell bent on stripping law abiding citizens of our 2nd Amendment rights. But then, no one ever accused you of being very bright Billy. In fact, you may recall that I never bothered SDH-MT about his free advertising scam or anything else, until he launched into me because I moved quotes of your Liberal Left bullshit here into this and the gunsmithing forum. He didn't like me moving your Leftist crap here, and I didn't like you bringing your Leftist crap to the double shotgun forum. He attacked me, and became fair game. Sorry he doesn't like it.

So I do understand your motivation for standing up for him. craigd obviously sees it too. Some of us have differing opinions of what is damaging to either this forum, or to gun rights. I don't hide my true motivation. But you and your friend do.

You little whiney [censored], STFU.

Another Montana Liberal heard from!

I am not impressed. Hopefully tomorrow evening I will post the QUOTE from Dave Weber telling his feelings about people using this forum for free advertising and personal gain. Meanwhile, I wonder why none of the Libs want to go near my question about whether it would be appropriate for Trinidad College or Pennsylvania Gunsmithing school to use this forum to advertise stock making classes? Or why they think SDH-MT should be any different?

You know what STFU means dipshit?

Yes, it is something you couldn't make me do on your best day...

How the hell would you know dumbass?

Trust me, I know keyboard muscles when I see them. Go cry in a tissue and convince yourself that I give a crap what you or Billy think.

I know a closet commie [censored] when I see them, and you're one in spades!

Right! All of us "closet commies" criticize Socialism and people who undermine the 2nd Amendment.

I didn't know Ed Good had a kid in Montana. You are not worth engaging, and unable to address my questions about whether Trinidad College or Pennsylvania Gunsmithing school should follow SDH-MT' s lead and use this forum to advertise their gunsmithing classes. Good night. Don't soak your pillow with tears.

Tell your boyfriend to use more lube, it might improve your disposition, [censored].

The issue is whether or not this is an appropriate site for announcing a service that directly relates to the kinds of rifles we admire and discuss here. Some of us believe it is; others don't. No one , however, is injured by this content. The photos Steven posts are a wealth of information of interest to many here. The objections are personal. Keith attacks everyone he dislikes. He provokes a shit storm and then complains when others respond in kind. He has long since made his point. We know what he thinks. We don't need to hear him repeat himself endlessly. If these announcements rub some guys wrong, they can ignore them. Read the posts you care about. Every craftsman who posts examples of his work here could be promoting his services. Who cares? Let Dave sort it out. Let the rest of us decide for ourselves which posts we enjoy. PS: Dave tolerates you, Keith. You should respect him enough to accept his tolerance of others.

Craig, Whatever you had in mind with your last post, it didn't come through your incoherent response. Slow down; take a deep breath; ask yourself what is it I think about this topic. What do I mean to say? How can I make myself clear to others? Keith, on the other hand, is always clear- clear that he has very limited ability to think beyond the boundaries of his handlers. There's a deep scratch in his record. He crows every morning at dawn and believes he makes the sun rise.

Billy, you keep repeating the same mindless drivel in your campaign to defend your little liberal pal SDH-MT. In truth, we get nothing from his advertising photos that we couldn't get here or plenty of other places. A photo of an inletted grip cap or buttplate explains nothing except his desire to use this site for free advertising.

Frankly, I'm surprised those photos aren't copyrighted like many he posts here. He doesn't want anyone benefiting from using his photos without attribution and compensation, but apparently has no problem taking advantage of Dave.

I'm sure you saw another example of his class and civility where he changed the title of the same advertising thread in the main Double Gun forum. He also picked up his marbles and ran home by withdrawing his shotgun for sale ad... which was listed in the proper place. jOe and Pete noted the sheer hypocrisy of slamming this site and announcing his departure, but using it just one more time to sell stuff. I'd say he acts like a two year old, but that would be too generous.

By the way, I had no problem comprehending what craigd was saying to you. I don't think you did either, but you really hate the fact that he sees through your bullshit. Hopefully I'll get home early enough this evening to post the QUOTE from Dave stating his dislike for people using his forum for personal gain. Stop wasting time on me and go campaign for another anti-gun Liberal Left Democrat.

As for wasting time on you, I don't. My effort is to encourage others to see that you're a lost cause, a broken record, a stooge of the alt right. Those committed to you are beyond saving, but there are others who might want to taste your koolaid who could be persuaded to take a second thought. Of course you had no trouble understanding craig; he's a member of your cult.

Yes Billy, all your friends here can clearly see that it is a foolish waste of time to support and defend our Constitutional rights to own and shoot firearms. When we have fools like you who feel it is more important to push a Liberal Socialist agenda than it is to have our 2nd Amendment and individual freedoms, it is only a matter of time before this country becomes another Socialist failure like Venezuela.

I urge everyone to pop over to the main double gun forum to read the drivel you posted there, and to decide just who is a brain-washed cult member. In fact, when I get home, I'll do you a favor and move those words to one of your threads here in this forum. It isn't fair to deprive the guys here of your anti-gun Liberal Left views. No need to thank me.... glad to help!

Keith, I don't go to the main forum because I don't want to read this crap. YOU are the one who brings it over here. If you can not see that such actions are driving people away from this forum then you are blind. We come here to talk classic rifles. This sub-forum is dying a slow death already, we don't need you driving away the few posters we have left. Please take it somewhere else.

Best regards,
John Holliger

John, thanks for your thoughtful reply. Well really, it appears you weren't thinking again because the gist of my reply to Billy was to tell him his anti-gun Liberal Left Socialist bullshit isn't appreciated in the main double gun forum.

But we don't see you lecturing him about his off-topic Socialist drivel. You aren't the least bit worried about the conservative gun guys who have left this forum because of FUDD's like Billy. I wonder why???

Of course, Billy always tried to hide it from his custom rifle buddies. He knows many of them own and shoot the semi-automatics , handguns, and types of guns that he would gladly sacrifice to his Liberal Democrat gods in order to maintain his liberal school teacher's retirement lifestyle. That's why he avoided posting his trash, and crap, and disdain for pro-gun politicians in this sub-forum.

Thanks again for your comments. They mean nothing to me when we have guys in our midst who vote and work to undermine our gun rights.

Keith, It's not the site he's slamming. It's you and Pete and...

Bill, I am offended and reaching for my comfort legos at the same time. Will you please stop trying to bully me, and will you get your two buddies to clean up their potty mouth? I will see your ten victims and raise you three of 'em.

Just kidding, I thought I was crystal clear about folks having selecting reading skills. Anyway, thanks for not blocking me, otherwise I might turn to the ef bomb to show my tolerance and inclusiveness.

Hey Bill, thanks for your contributions to various topics.

This is not the place to discuss politics, period. Libs, Conservatives, the Left, the Right, Communists, etc. None of this needs to be discussed here. This has been a great forum to present guns, calibers, gunsmithing, etc. but if a couple of you can�t stick to those topics, please take it elsewhere. Your comments make you sound like a bunch of school girls.

I do believe it�s an appropriate place to promote the schools and classes. Why not? It�s on subject.

What Shane said +1.

As I promised, I am posting a QUOTE by Doublegunshop site Administrator Dave Weber which states his thoughts on the use of this forum by some narcissists to advertise their personal ventures. I have put the specific part pertaining to personal advertisements in BOLD PURPLE PRINT, but have not changed Dave's word's on the subject of personal advertisements one bit.

This QUOTE is from the thread "OPEN LETTER TO DAVE W.", and it was concerning the rules for selling items here.

Read 'em and weep rocky mtn bill, Shane, and Hershel:



And here is a link that will explain why apostrophes and quotation marks in Dave's statement showed up with this-- ’ -- instead of an apostrophe, etc. I was going to fix it, but didn't want to get accused of dishonest editing. However, there is no mistaking his feelings on the subject:

https://www.justinweiss.com/articles/how-to-get-from-theyre-to-theyre/

Without taking a side in this debate. Wouldn't it all be moot if SDH-MT simply paid Dave a small amount of money from the money he brings in for these classes?
Hate to see him leave, when paying a tiny amount of money would fix things.

Paying Dave for all of the sales he made here on books and classes over the years might have been a decent and thoughtful solution. When SDH-MT first began hawking his books and classes by using this site for free advertising, he felt he was entitled to it. As I said, I knew it was wrong, and I knew about Dave Weber's stated feelings on people who use his site for personal gain. I wouldn't be surprised if Steven knew of it too, but felt he could get away with it by slipping his self promotion of books and expensive classes here in this forum.

I held my tongue and said nothing about his advertising, even though I long ago wrote him off as a pompous condescending little prick. That opinion was based upon his interactions with others here. It wasn't until he launched an attack on me for moving QUOTES of his Liberal pal rocky mtn bill's Socialist and anti-gun drivel from the main double gun forum over to here that I decided enough was enough. Steven was suggesting that everyone on this site should IGNORE and shun me. He wished to silence me.

Turn-about is fair play, but Steven can't take what he dishes out. That should tell us a lot about him, as should his repeated use of this site for free advertising for personal gain. It isn't as if doing the right thing merely slipped his mind. I brought it up in his June 2018 Advertising thread, and others did as well. Instead of correcting his misuse of the forum, he doubled-down and did the same advertising both here and in the main Double-gun forum... to get more free exposure, and I'm sure to poke a finger in my eye to show me he was above paying Dave Weber.

The problem IS YOU William. You have driven this board into the ground with your constant political rambling. You are a one trick pony. The fact is that more of us know who you are every day. Your browbeating will become more and more difficult going forward. Pretend for a moment you are standing next to one of us when you start your crap because you just might be....

Oh, and the "In Honor of" donation a couple years ago was beautiful. I laughed at the time, but it's really just sad. You are a self absorbed narcissist. Have a good time knowing we will ALL soon know who you are, you brave little keyboard warrior.

Hi there Shortshells. I see you are making your second post with your new identity. Still too cowardly to use your other Doublegunshop screen name? Do you still think I don't know who you are? You should have covered your tracks better when you sent a cowardly anonymous intimidation letter to my house back in December. Your cyber security sucks and you let me right into your hard drive up there in N.Y. Too late to close the barn door now. That's all we'll say on that interesting subject just now.

I see you passed my phone number on to SDH-MT Steven Dodd Hughes... because I received a telephone call from him a couple hours ago. The call was from (406) 222-9377 in Livingston, Montana. But I'm sure you know that.

He sounded drunk as a skunk, and was extremely vulgar and repeatedly making the same exact threat as you. He kept telling me to suck his dick, etc., until I reminded him he doesn't have one, or any balls either. We had a really nice chat for 2 minutes and 18 seconds. This is the small sick threatening spineless little man that so many here seem to idolize. He confirmed every negative thing that anyone ever said about him here, and much more. All this because he resents me bringing up his use of this forum for free advertising... same as you. By the time our conversation ended, his voice was quivering in fear. You are both losers. You can both add to his reputation with this immature stunt.

So you both wish to post my name, address, phone number on the internet and "OUT" me? What will that accomplish? I have no criminal past or anything to hide. I use a screen name on the internet because I am a gun collector who does not wish to be targeted by thieves.

So you two cowards wish to endanger my family by posting my name and address??? That tells us a lot about you and your total lack of a spine. Did you know the rules in the FAQ section here prohibit threats and information invasive of a person's privacy? Or do you only care about protecting your perceived right to continue to use Dave's forum for free advertising and complaints about preserving the 2nd Amendment? I hope you realize such actions have serious consequences. I am much nicer on the internet than I am in person.

EDIT: I probably should save this threat from you. It might come in handy some day.

William, your name, address, telephone number and entire resume is already on the internet. you are the one that should have covered your tracks better. You know nothing of who I am, and I had nothing to do with any letter. I have never spoken to, or ever had contact with SDH-MT. Grasping at straws, and nobody wants your Mossberg. If you care to meet me, come to the Northeastern in June. It's a short drive from your house, ask around for Shortshells, we'll have a cup of tea and talk politics-away from this board.

My name and resume is on the internet for Job Search purposes only, not for spineless little worms like you and Steven to share on the internet with crackheads and thieves. Did you know I changed jobs a couple years ago (2015), and now do the kind of work that makes finding idiots and cowards like you child's play? If you decide to endanger my family, there will be consequences that neither of you will like. But as far as I'm concerned, you have already threatened my family. I know exactly who you are, and I know of the extensive amount of time you spent searching the internet on November 4th.

Your little denial above is as transparent as you are. You say you never contacted Steven, but oh my what a coincidence that I should receive the exact same threat from both of you on the same day, less than two hours apart. I never thought you were very intelligent when you whined and complained about gun rights threads under your other Doublegunshop screen name, but I had no idea just how stupid you are. I do not forgive and forget. Know that.

Trigger warning... Sorry couldn't help it.

I wonder if a coloring book for liberal gun owners would go over well on the classifieds? Apparently there might be more takers than I thought.

Thanks Vall, as always, your words are reasonable and sane.

I agree completely LRF. Vall's words are reasonable and sane. And that is why I gave him a reasonable and sane reply. The time for that remedy though, should have been way back when Steven began using this sub-forum for personal gain.

What is not reasonable or sane is his response to getting called out on something that is quite simply, wrong. He threw one of the worst and most childish tantrums ever seen here. He announced his departure, but then stuck around long enough to take advantage of free advertising one more time. Then he returned again to change the title of his other thread in the main Double Shotgun forum to something rude and vulgar.

As if that wasn't enough, he then called me on the phone. He was obviously drunk or otherwise impaired, slurring his words. He announced who he was, and then began hurling every profane vulgar insult he could at me. He kept telling me to suck his d**k and repeatedly called me a c**ksucker. Then he started with his threats.

In my kind, gentle, and soft-spoken manner, I informed him that I do not take kindly to threats, and that he doesn't have a d**k... or any balls either, and that Montana was not far enough away to have refuge. Very soon, his voice began cracking, and our brave little man sounded like he was pissing himself. After 2 minutes and 18 seconds, he hung up. If he has even one coherent brain cell left, I hope he understands that I am not intimidated, and I do not take threats from anyone.

He and his new coward friend, Shortshells, who is also crapping his pants because he left an internet trail a blind man could see, know by now that they miscalculated when they thought they could frighten me away. A bigger miscalculation was to even think they could get away with threatening me or endangering my family.

It is amusing to know Shortshell is squirming. He should man-up and use his other Doublegunshop screen identity. But that will never happen. I think that posting under two user names is cause for a permanent ban from this forum, but that should be the least of his worries. That's all I'll say on that matter for now.

He thought sending an anonymous unsigned intimidation letter to my house would accomplish his goal to silence me. He thought that sending the letter from another city with a postmark different than his own would keep me from knowing who he was. But I knew what he was doing before he ever mailed the letter. When that didn't work, he thought his first post under his new screen name on 12/28/18 would rattle me. Even funnier is the fact that yesterday, he used an enraged and obviously intoxicated little man to carry out the threat he was afraid to do on his own. Steven was his tool.

But what is the most funny thing of all is that both of these little worms are, or were, respected here by some. Other admirers and supporters have faded away. I understand their disappointment that these persons they may have admired revealed themselves to be petty, sneaky, conniving, gutless little cowards. I try to be a decent person, but I have always had this real serious problem with turning the other cheek...

Life imitates art...?

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