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I have used B&P Comp 1'S 7/8 ounce loads and Cleaver Featherlight's in my Purdey and Atkin with much success.


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Also there is a brand called Esencia I believe being sold by my guy out of Florida.
You can get them in 2 1/2 in 3/4 ounce and 7/8 ounce


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Any of the non-magnum B&P offerings should be fine. The nice thing is that if you go to the Italian site, you get pressure curves for all of their products. For example, the link below is for their F2 hunting line. Click on the Info link for each cartridge to get pressure and velocity.

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https://www.baschieri-pellagri.com/en/catalogo/cartucce+da+caccia/f2/1/index.aspx

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Thanks for the responses.

In examining boxes of Remington Gun Club (12 gauge, 1 ounce loads) and Winchester Target (1 ounce and 1 1/8 loads) shells, I see some encouraging marks.

They all carry the CIP imprint. The Remington box even has a BNP mark with crown...and so I'm assuming they're considered safe to be fired in British guns within proof and with 2 3/4" chambers.

I'll take a look at B&P and Rio boxes when I find them.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it looks as if there are several American shells (besides RST) that qualify as lower-pressure loads.

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I have used Winchester Light, Extra Light and Low Recoil. Three different loads. The light struck me as not so light. The Low Recoil velocity was enough under 1000 FPS to be a good target load. The Extra Light was excellent, low recoil, low pressure, but enough velocity to crush targets.


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Originally Posted By: Stan
If you try the B & P Comp Ones you'd better have loads of extra firing pin protrusion, or they will misfire. I've got lots of guns, vintage and modern, they will not shoot reliably in. Smaller diameter heads than most other shells.

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Are you talking 12ga, Stan? I've only shot them in a couple of different 28ga guns. Zero issues. A guy who likely kills more grouse than anyone I know also uses them in his 28ga and recommends them highly. I've never used them in 12ga, but appreciate the warning if that's where you've had problems.

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Re. B&P 12 ga comp 1 shells. I've shot 2 different lot#s of the 7/8 oz 12 ga Comp 1 load in a Perazzi DC12, 2 different W&S 700 series guns, a Piotti & a CSMC 21 w/o an issue. I did recently hear of someone finding a 12 ga 7/8 oz Comp 1 shell w/o a primer.

I like that load a lot & if there is any difference in the headspace (rim thickness) between the Comp 1 & the 2 1/2" 12 ga High Pheasant which I've also had no issues with & shot a lot of in different 12 ga guns I'm unable to measure it.

Both of those loads are on the Gordon type hull.

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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Originally Posted By: Stan
If you try the B & P Comp Ones you'd better have loads of extra firing pin protrusion, or they will misfire. I've got lots of guns, vintage and modern, they will not shoot reliably in. Smaller diameter heads than most other shells.

SRH


Are you talking 12ga, Stan? I've only shot them in a couple of different 28ga guns. Zero issues. A guy who likely kills more grouse than anyone I know also uses them in his 28ga and recommends them highly. I've never used them in 12ga, but appreciate the warning if that's where you've had problems.


Yes, 12 ga. Larry. Comp Ones. I've tried them in an A H Fox BE grade, a Browning BSS, an A H Fox Sterlingworth and a MX8 Perazzi. So far, the only gun that will reliably shoot them is the P gun, and that is based on just a few shells. I'm determined to find one of my vintage doubles that will shoot up these two flats I've got.

See this thread for further info on them. You'll see the problem is not limited to 12 ga. only.

http://forum.foxcollectors.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=7773

SRH




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Originally Posted By: Brittany Man
Re. B&P 12 ga comp 1 shells. I've shot 2 different lot#s of the 7/8 oz 12 ga Comp 1 load in a Perazzi DC12, 2 different W&S 700 series guns, a Piotti & a CSMC 21 w/o an issue. I did recently hear of someone finding a 12 ga 7/8 oz Comp 1 shell w/o a primer.

I like that load a lot & if there is any difference in the headspace (rim thickness) between the Comp 1 & the 2 1/2" 12 ga High Pheasant which I've also had no issues with & shot a lot of in different 12 ga guns I'm unable to measure it.

Both of those loads are on the Gordon type hull.


BM, it's not rim thickness, it's diameter that is the culprit. See the above thread link for measurements.

Best, SRH


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Originally Posted By: Stan
Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Originally Posted By: Stan
If you try the B & P Comp Ones you'd better have loads of extra firing pin protrusion, or they will misfire. I've got lots of guns, vintage and modern, they will not shoot reliably in. Smaller diameter heads than most other shells.

SRH


Are you talking 12ga, Stan? I've only shot them in a couple of different 28ga guns. Zero issues. A guy who likely kills more grouse than anyone I know also uses them in his 28ga and recommends them highly. I've never used them in 12ga, but appreciate the warning if that's where you've had problems.




Yes, 12 ga. Larry. Comp Ones. I've tried them in an A H Fox BE grade, a Browning BSS, an A H Fox Sterlingworth and a MX8 Perazzi. So far, the only gun that will reliably shoot them is the P gun, and that is based on just a few shells. I'm determined to find one of my vintage doubles that will shoot up these two flats I've got.

See this thread for further info on them. You'll see the problem is not limited to 12 ga. only.

http://forum.foxcollectors.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=7773

SRH



Thanks. I've shot probably a flat total in a couple modern 28ga sxs: Parker Repro and B. Rizzini BR 550. No issues. I picked them up initially because of the price (about $80/flat out the door). Then the grouse hunter I know chimed in on the discussion and recommended them highly. He shoots them in an OU--and those sometimes can be sensitive to issues like rim thickness because of their angled firing pins, but he hasn't had any.

I noted that the only 28ga mentioned in the link was a Model 21. Wonder whether it was original Winchester (not many of those!) or, probably more likely, a modern Galazan gun. Although in your case, your problems aren't all in vintage guns.

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