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I'm betting those cow pies King has been hanging around have Magic mushrooms in them.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....Would Jesus say I want thinking followers not by rote in a changing church abiding by the overarching injunction to love? What do you think?....

Except for the mention of Jesus, I think that's something something secular progressives would philosophize about on a college campus or in a coffee shop. Don't you? The dilemma it seems, is that these same folks are philosophizing about killing a judge. All embracing in an oddly narrow way, isn't it?

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Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch
Act 8:26  And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. 
Act 8:27  And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 
Act 8:28  Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. 
Act 8:29  Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. 
Act 8:30  And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 
Act 8:31  And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 
Act 8:32  The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: 
Act 8:33  In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 
Act 8:34  And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 
Act 8:35  Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 
Act 8:36  And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 
Act 8:37  And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 
Act 8:38  And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 
Act 8:39  And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 
Act 8:40  But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea. 

It's all quite simple, without "Faith" in a resurrected Savior a person can "Get Wet" but they have not been "Baptized". Nota Bene; this is not "MY" personal opinion, this is the Word of God.

You can disagree with me all you desire to, just remember when you start disagreeing with God you are gambling your eternal Soul.


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Well stated, Miller.

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The Jesus in which we must believe and to whom we must surrender must be the Jesus of the Bible. An imaginary Jesus, who didn't prove His victory over sin and death by the resurrection, is no Savior.

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"It is natural for every man to desire to accom­modate his lusts with such conceptions of God as may be most favourable to, and suit best with, them. God chargeth some for this: ‘Thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself,’ Psalm 50:21."
(In man's image and imagination, man created god. See Isaiah 65:2)

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Yes, the whole thing is "embracing in an oddly narrow way." To me, what we're embracing is not what Jesus taught. The way members cut up each other with vulgar and obnoxious behaviour is antithesis to requirements of Christian doctrine and dogma, numbering in the hundreds in "The True Church" alone.

I'm with The Ten Commandments and the simple injunction to love. The great Frye is a backstop: "The knowledge you cannot have is of the riddles of birth and death and the purposes of God. Here there is no knowledge, but illusions that restrict freedom and limit hope." I leave it there.

(As for the judge thing, it will hurt and be hateful but I believe it the best thing that could happen for your great country, under the circumstances.)

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Why on earth would you care what Jesus taught King? According to you, and the bullshit story you keep repeating concerning your Dad's Baptism, he was just another guy preaching his own dogma.

You have repeatedly claimed that your father was Baptized as an adult convert to Catholicism, without belief in the Resurrection. You have stated that the Catholic clerics present at his Baptism didn't believe in it either, and your Dad was simply "... ahead of his time" in that un-belief. And you have claimed in the past, that a group of Catholic priests you related this ongoing argument to stated, in public and in unison, "We don't believe in it either."

And you seriously expect us to believe that your father, an intelligent man by all accounts, chose to become a Catholic knowing the whole Church was built upon a lie???

King, if you really dislike being treated with vulgar and obnoxious behavior, maybe a good place to start would be to simply stop lying to us and feeding us your agenda driven bullshit. But we all know that's never going to happen so long as you're still breathing. I don't think that Jesus commanded us to show respect to people who would lie about the circumstances of his own father's Baptism and acceptance of Christ as Messiah and Savior.

I'll borrow some of Miller's words. I continue to believe that your Dad didn't just "get wet". I believe he was Baptized as an adult because he believed in the Resurrection. Thinking men do not make such a decision knowing they would be joining a fraudulent Church that worships a phony Savior. Your version makes no sense, and you have repeatedly failed to provide the name of even one practicing Catholic cleric who would back up your lies. You can lie, and you can fall back on the writings of Frye. And you can continue to make yourself look like a pathetic fool. If saying that makes me an obnoxious sinner, so be it.

Oh yes, your response to craigd concerning the desire of many on the left to kill our new Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh was revealing, especially considering how you went on for weeks and ratted out Jim over the lie that he was counseling us to shoot the anti-gunner George Soros. Incredible.... in the purest sense of the word.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Your second paragraph is an accurate account. I was there. What you believe is no concern of mine.

I gave the name of the senior cleric at Dad's baptism, Msgr. Francis Smith, now deceased, as others present 25 years ago.

The Church is continually making changes to keep up with the times. Dad was another and the Church was glad to have him.

Our family goes back a long way dedicated to Christianity. Dad's father worked with General Booth in early days of the Salvation Army, and later as music director for Gipsy Smith, one of the greatest evangelists of the period.

My father sang professionally as a boy soprano at Toronto's biggest Catholic church, St. Michael's Cathedral, and at Timothy Eaton United Church. His father was also prime contractor for the Martyr's Shrine, Midland, Ont.

My sister, a clergyman's wife, ran unsuccessfully for the Christian Heritage Party in Ontario in a federal election. All set examples of Christian values. None would have made the accusations here without a shred of evidence.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
None would have made the accusations here without a shred of evidence.


None here would have repeated such a ridiculous and outlandish claim without a shred of evidence... except for you King. Your only "witness" is a dead priest. That's even less compelling than any of the wild unsubstantiated accusations Democrats used to try to derail Kavanaugh's confirmation. You can't even keep the name of the dead Monsignor straight, first spelling his last name "Smyth", and now "Smith". And considering your past veracity, your eyewitness testimony isn't worth a cup of warm spit.

You say the Catholic Church was glad to welcome an unbeliever into their ranks. But you dishonor your own father by suggesting that he would be stupid enough to seek adult conversion and Baptism into a religion that he knew was built on a big fat lie, worshiped a phony Messiah who was a mere mortal, and employed dishonest clerics who perpetuated the greatest fraud in all of history.

Why???

I know you think we're all stupid, and I know you adhere to the belief that if you tell a lie often enough, people will eventually believe it. Sorry, it doesn't look as if anyone believes you. You also say this:

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What you believe is no concern of mine.


But it absolutely is a concern of yours King. It must be. Or you wouldn't keep returning with more fluff and more bullshit in an attempt to convince everyone that I'm vulgar and obnoxious, and that you are somehow better because some people in your family sang in choirs and have Christian values. If your argument was an airplane, it wouldn't clear the trees at the end of the runway.


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Exo 10:3  And Moses and Aaron came in unto Pharaoh, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, How long wilt thou refuse to humble thyself before me? let my people go, that they may serve me. 

1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Joh 17:17  Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

1Pe 1:24  For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 
1Pe 1:25  But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

The word of any "Man" which cannot be backed up by a "Thus Saith the Lord" is worthless. To deny the resurrection of the Savior is not "Ahead of the Times", it has been done for nigh onto 2000 years & is as Blasphemous today as it was then.

This is a shotgun board, I had no intention of turning it into a religious discussion, but sometimes circumstances simply cannot be allowed to stand "Unchallenged" by one who is proclaiming to be a "Christian" & Just a Christian. While in his earthly ministry Jesus himself stated: "I Will Build ""MY"" Church" (Matt:18). We find the fulfillment of this promise in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost, 49 days after his resurrection. (50 days after the Sabbath of which he spent the entirety in the grave).
The church was Built on the Rock of the statement the Apostle Peter had stated that "Thou Art the Christ, the Son of the Living God", it was not built on Peter.

The Catholic church (non-capital intentionally) based their whole idea for the "Pope" on this 16th chapter of Matt & to set him up as infallible. They also attempted to keep the Bible from ordinary people & as it has been called, Chain it to the pulpit. Even went so far as to Burn at the stake some who tried to translate the Word into English. A man named Wycliff had his bones dug up some 50 years after his death & burned at the stake for the heinous Crime of trying to establish an English translation of the Bible.

The Bible is the only Book which has ever been written, since the foundation of the World, which has "Needed NO Update" because it was written in such manner as none was needed. I don't really know what more proof one would need that it indeed was written by the Inspiration of the Spirit of God as it claims.

Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 
Heb 13:9  Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. 

The Meats here are speaking of the animal sacrifices which had formerly been required but had never been capable of "Forgiving Sins" that was accomplished "ONLY" by the Blood of Jesus.


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