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That woodcock should have been painted in a blur. You'll never see one "hanging" like that.
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Stan,
Shooting Woodcock in Michigan, I've seen a few pause after going straight up and clearing the canopy in the trees. I swear I thought some even looked back at me in a mocking fashion.
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Hunting in young aspen (popple) with a lot of vertical density, they will often go up and out. It may not be exactly a pause, but you do have a moment when it's kinda like hitting a hanging curve ball. Unfortunately, those moments don't come often enough. Or else when they do, you're still trying to get yourself clear of the pucker brush to shoot.
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Larry,
I'll be experiencing that starting tomorrow as I'm headed for Michigan's U.P. for the week. We'll see how the bird numbers are.
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Why do people under value Bakers? I've had several and they all have performed flawlessly. I have two project guns Baker made and sold under the Montgomery Wards name. Both heavy 32", heavy barreled and tightly choked. Would make either nice sporting clay's gun or water-fowlers. Certainly not a brush gun. I had another straight grip 26" Baker which someone had restocked and bobbed the barrels. It would have been a great gun for close cover.
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Why do people under value Bakers? But Jon, Don't you know, Ted & Dewey Vickner don't like them. I agree with you though, my limited experience with them has always been positive. For many years Lefevers were also under-valued, but they are now gaining. I think one thing in both of these brands is that both of them closed shop so early, thus the majority of them have welded barrels, either Twist or Damascus. We went through at least a half Century of being Brain-Washed into believing anything with a welded barrel, regardless of any other factors about it was JUNK. Parker, Smith, Fox & Ithaca all survived well into the steel barrel age, so have been valued higher.
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Stan,
Shooting Woodcock in Michigan, I've seen a few pause after going straight up and clearing the canopy in the trees. I swear I thought some even looked back at me in a mocking fashion.
Karl Hunting in young aspen (popple) with a lot of vertical density, they will often go up and out. It may not be exactly a pause, but you do have a moment when it's kinda like hitting a hanging curve ball. Unfortunately, those moments don't come often enough. Or else when they do, you're still trying to get yourself clear of the pucker brush to shoot. None of the ones I missed last season paused and looked back at me..........or anything else. They just beat it out of there as fast as possible. Years ago I recall a few seemingly "pause" as they went from vertical to horizontal flight. But, they don't seem to do that anymore down here. SRH
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Why do people under value Bakers? But Jon, Don't you know, Ted & Dewey Vickner don't like them. I agree with you though, my limited experience with them has always been positive. For many years Lefevers were also under-valued, but they are now gaining. I think one thing in both of these brands is that both of them closed shop so early, thus the majority of them have welded barrels, either Twist or Damascus. We went through at least a half Century of being Brain-Washed into believing anything with a welded barrel, regardless of any other factors about it was JUNK. Parker, Smith, Fox & Ithaca all survived well into the steel barrel age, so have been valued higher. Pretty sure I posted I had no dog in this fight. Anyone wants to give me a Baker, I’m game. Best, Ted
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The Baker Brush model was one of their Batavia lines. As such it lacked the draw bolt & firing pin blocks of the higher grade Baker lines. I have had a couple of the Batavia guns over the years, a 12 gauge Batavia Special & a 16 ga Black Beauty, both with steel barrels. Even though on the low end of the Totem Pole as far as Bakers go, they're not bad guns. Certainly well above the myriad of JABC's which infiltrated the country in the same era. Hammer welded barrels of any sort was a bug I never caught. I had chances to buy several Bakers over the years, but, never did. Something else always was more important in the end. If you are interested, Dewey Vicknair has added a postscript to his “American Doubles” post on his blog. He is harsh on the Baker, and while I have no dog in that fight, I would think twice before I ignored what he has to say on the subject. Most of the low grade Belgium guns I have handled in the last thirty years were not technically firearms anymore. Best, Ted Call it what you will Ted, in my opinion, you threw your dog in the fight, with that statement. I no longer have the 12, but still have the little 16 Black Beauty, I'll take the advice to heart & being an honorable Man will not try to pawn it off on someone else, so will just keep it for myself. Only thing I really have against them is I'm not a fan of the J-spring forend fasteners but can live with them.
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Smart move Ted. They are reliable. As long as a gun goes bang when you pull the trigger it has a lot going for it in my books. I don't see the rough tools mark because they are on the insides which most of us should not be fooling with.
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