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Hello all, Its a Jones underlever black powder express double rifle. Can you tell the caliber of this double rifle by these barrel markings? Is it a 450 bpe or a 500 bpe?  . . .
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If 40 is the bore diameter, then a 40 bore is .488" in diameter.
I think I'd just slug the bore and do a chamber cast with Cerrosafe to be certain.
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Hello keith,
Thanks for the reply.
I'm not in possession of the rifle so I can't do a chamber cast. I'm just trying to determine what caliber it might be. Seems like .488 would be oversize for a 45 cal., and undersized for a 50 cal.
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I don't know what diameter bullets are used in the .500 BPE rifles. .006" deep grooves in a .488" bore would put you right at .500" for groove diameter.
But the groove diameter of my .450 BPE rifle is right at .458", and I'm going to try to alter a .452" caliber mold to drop a .452" diameter bullet of about 300 grains that I can paper patch to groove diameter.
EDIT: I see references to either .510" or .512" diameter bullets for .500 BPE. I'm stumped too.
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As noted above, this would likely be a .500 BPE rifle
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I don't know what diameter bullets are used in the .500 BPE rifles. .006" deep grooves in a .488" bore would put you right at .500" for groove diameter.
But the groove diameter of my .450 BPE rifle is right at .458", and I'm going to try to alter a .452" caliber mold to drop a .452" diameter bullet of about 300 grains that I can paper patch to groove diameter.
EDIT: I see references to either .510" or .512" diameter bullets for .500 BPE. I'm stumped too. Hello Keith, Thanks for the reply. When the British marked the "gauge" like this one .. "40" ... was that intended to be the "bore" dia. or the "groove" dia.
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Bore diameter; based on the size of the plug gauge that the barrel would accept; rifling, of course, is deeper/larger diamter. If Henry rifled, it could be quite a bit deeper.
My .500#2 BPE is proofed at 39
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Cadet is correct, it's bore diameter. Also, keep in mind this does not indicate an "Exact" bore diameter. It meant that at time of proof the bore would accept a 40 gauge plug of .488" diameter but would not accept a 39 gauge plug of .492" diameter. The actual diameter of bore could have been anywhere in between.
The difference between your bore marked 40 & cadets marked 39 may be no more than a couple of thousandths. Even if they were both to exact size it would only be .004" difference.
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Cadet is correct, it's bore diameter. Also, keep in mind this does not indicate an "Exact" bore diameter. It meant that at time of proof the bore would accept a 40 gauge plug of .488" diameter but would not accept a 39 gauge plug of .492" diameter. The actual diameter of bore could have been anywhere in between.
The difference between your bore marked 40 & cadets marked 39 may be no more than a couple of thousandths. Even if they were both to exact size it would only be .004" difference. Hello 2-piper, Hello cadet, Thanks for the reply. So its possible that a .510 dia 50 cal bullet would still be a correct fit to function in a barrel stamped "40"? That could account for .011" deep engraving of a bullet. I suppose that would be OK for paper-patch lead bullets, but seems like it would be a little much if using Woodleigh jacketed 50 cal bpe bullets.
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