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So Ford, let me see if I understand you correctly. The Treaty of Versailles over-rode the German proof rules for 1912 for which a tube of the same diameter can have a chamber modification, i.e. material can be removed internally & it does not warrant a Crown over R repair mark?

Also, the 8x57 IR/IRS and the 8x60 have identical characteristics?

Is the above the gist of your statement?


Cheers,

Raimey
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Raimey,
That is a consideration, but there were some rechamberings that didn't require the repair proof. Normalizing a 9.3x72R "D" version to "N" was one, normalizing an 8.15x46R in a similar manner was another. I think rechambering to 8x60 was another. I am not 100% sure, but I am sure it would not have been rebarreled only to change from 8x57I to 8x60. Don't forget, the whole purpose of the 8x60 was to allow this, also, times were as hard in 1930 Germany, as in the US( if not harder). Maybe you could ask Axel to settle it for us. Also even though I didn't base my opinion on it, the Treaty of Versailles over rode a lot of things.
Mike

I am not knowledgable to comment on the proof marks but after reseaching it seems that a driving factor for the 8x60 seemed to be the option to rechamber rather than rebarrel. I suppose we may never know for sure on this rifle, but I have a box of 8x60 mms and hope to shoot this rifle soon.
It has two rear sight blades. Would this rifle be set up for 50 and 100 meters by chance? I guess I will know shortly.

Here is a better picture of the proof marks if it helps.

Ghostrider,
I suggest that when you fire the rifle the first time, see if a 323" bullet will easily enter the neck of the fired case. Mauser Oberndorf, made the neck area of 8x60 chambers large enough for .323" bullets and informed others of what they were doing. If the rechambering/rebarreling was done somewhere else(Suhl,etc), they may or may mot have followed Mauser's lead. The above test will show which bullet to use. With regard to the sights, only shooting it will show how it is sighted; whether it is for 8x57I or 8x60, and what distance.
Good shooting.
Mike

Ghostrider,
Thanks for the better photo. It looks less like it was refinished than the other photos. The 60 and 3/30 still look like a different font than the other stamps.
Mike

I will do as suggested and post the results.
The Metal I am sure has been redone although not over buffed as some I have seen. Cannt decide if I like the jeweling or not yet.

Raimey,
Go to the GGCA site and read Axel's comments, I stand corrected, although I'm a little confused how it started as a post WW1 Mod S, with a 1912 serial number, I think he meant it would have been Mod S if it had been post war.
Mike