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Kutter mentioned breaking a screwdriver bit. This is no problem compared to losing the bushing.
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Keith what are you good penetrating oil recommendations?

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If you have the wood off submerge it in a bucket of kerosene with some transmission fluid mixed in. Cheaper than Kroil and just as good. Just let it soak a week or 2.

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Yeah woods off so I will try that.

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Originally Posted By: Travis S
Keith what are you good penetrating oil recommendations?

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The very best I ever used was Cabot's Tasgon, but unfortunately, it was taken off the market in the early 1980's when creosote was banned by the EPA. I still have some that I use sparingly because it has to last the rest of my life. Watch for it at yard sales, flea markets, etc. I found a full quart a couple years ago at an automotive swap meet, and it made my whole day.

I think Zep45 is pretty good, as is Zep45 Dual Force which contains PTFE (teflon). More recently I have tried Burlite and Mouse Milk, and they seem to do pretty good too. But I haven't used them enough to say for sure. I also like pure oil of wintergreen for small fasteners. The home brew of 50% actetone and 50% ATF works well too, but the acetone carrier evaporates quickly, and it needs to be covered with plastic or re-applied often. There have been numerous threads here over the years concerning penetrating oils, and techniques for removing stuck screws. Here's one of them:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=271977&page=1

I'm kind of a junkie on this subject, and have been searching for years for something that works as well as the banned Tasgon. I would bet that there are at least 20 different brands in my shop, and most are no better than diesel fuel or straight kerosene.

I would like to experiment with boiling an action with a frozen screw in a solution of Simple Green or some other detergent to remove all traces of oil, and then soaking in Evaporust or a molasses solution. I have been using molasses as a rust remover, and when it can get into threads, it turns the rust into black slime. It has worked well for me for freeing up frozen acme threads on rusty c-clamps and bar clamps after a few weeks of soaking. But they would definitely remove blueing since blueing is a form of rust. Both Evaporust and molasses work on the same principle of chelation to remove the oxygen atoms from rust molecules, and leave the iron behind.

I can't tell you how many times I've read or been told that this or that is fantastic stuff, only to buy a can and be disappointed. To those who swear by Kroil, I say they really need to get out more. And it's tough to make comparisons sometimes, because there are different levels of corrosion, of different size screws, that are made of different alloys of steel. You just have to know when to back off on the force you are applying, before you break it or gall the threads, and try something different. And I can't over-emphasize the importance of being patient when you encounter a really tough one.


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Thanks Keith

I am and will continue to take it slow and not let it get me mad and distracted.

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As a farmer who has dealt with rusted fasteners for all my life I can safely say I have never found anything any better than Zep45, in the mostly white can. I, personally, think it's better than acetone/ATF. Old exhaust manifold bolts can be tough, Zep is tougher. Repeated applications + patience, lots of patience = success.

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As long as you are doing this because you are going to re-case color the frame,,then don't be shy about using heat on the frame in that area to help unlock the bushing from it's seat.

The frame will go through an annealing process before polishing it up anyway before re-CCH. That'll be around 800/1000F.
Then it'll hit 1400F+ when re-CaseColored.
Some xciting heat now won't hurt it. It won't turn to a pile of goo.

Turn up the heat,, turn out the bushing and get it over with.

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Xciting heat. LOL

I will get after it this weekend and in the mean time get some ZEP.

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I would almost guarantee that the busing is cracked and it filled in with what ever over the years. If you have an eye loop see if it is cracked, if so take a small cape chisel and remove the pieces.

There is usually a pair on eBay or they can be made using a 5/16-32" cap screw which is a Gr. 8.


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