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Apology accepted jOe, but this isn�t for you or Keith. It is however relevant to Travis� inquiry on the other thread
The barrels were refinished by Ken Marburger.





The gun is a 1906 OE 16g Smith and a cosmetic mess; blued action & barrels when purchased in Idaho. The barrel bores are even worse; marked pitting throughout. But it was gifted me by my long-time skeet shooting Mormon friend, Col. Byron Meader � here on his 96th birthday � so it has special meaning.



He died in 2016 and his Bishop allowed me to do his funeral at his wife�s request.

The good news is that it has original Hunter Arms of that era bore (.653�) and 2 9/16� chambers with wall thickness at the end of the chamber of .106� & .110�.
9� from breech left .044� but right .032� (recommended .040�).

Bad news is the right barrel lateral wall, probably related to external draw filing before blueing, is .020� from 12� to 21�.
9� from the muzzle is .028�.

When Byron first got the gun, he put 250 2 1/2� 7/8 oz. Polywad Spred-R shells, 100 2 1/2� 7/8 oz. at 1145 fps. (about 8000 psi) loads, and 2 cases (500 shells) of 2 1/2� RST 3/4 oz. at 1100 fps (4,600 psi per RST) through the barrels without rupture or dimensional changes. Pretty good trial.

A friend worked up a load similar to the RST for me: 2 1/2� Cheddite Hull and Primer, 14 gr. Green Dot, BPI SG16 primer, and 3/4 shot. He also gave me a fully functional Lyman Easy Loader set up for that recipe. Another buddy chronographed the load at 1185 fps at 3 feet.

The Cheddite hulls are a pain to crimp, and the crimp is frequently dished. If it is less than 70 degrees there is incomplete combustion of the Green Dot, but I can still use the gun and load about 9 months here in the desert, and do, and rarely flinch

I am sensitive to my responsibility should shrapnel hit one of my friends. Thin (not obstructed) pattern welded or fluid steel barrels usually split, not fragment



but I use a steel and leather hand guard which fortunately just covers the right barrel thin spot.
I do like to shake up fellas by explaining they should stand back a bit when I shoot



And I would never sell or give the gun to someone who doesn�t fully understand the risks, and need for specialty loads.

So I�m happy to be a fool in jOe�s eyes, but I�m not a liar.

More here

Barrel Evaluation, Non-Destructive Testing & Load Recommendations
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZIo0y746UsSRZIgRuuxwAbZjSBHitO_EanvwLYc-kGA/edit

I never apologized for anything.

One thing I might add should you sell this gun to fund another mission trip you won't make it past the closest 7/11...

Gee jOe, are you telling us that the preacher told yet another lie by dishonestly claiming you apologized to him?

I saw that unusual claim, but hadn't seen any apology from you to him.



For a few minutes I thought you might have done so by PM, although I couldn't imagine why you had any reason to apologize to him. This is just weird. He seems rather consumed by this determination to transfer his disingenuous behavior onto you and me. Maybe next he'll be imagining that I apologized to him too.

That's not going to happen.

Drew I like the Col's shirt !

If anyone owes anyone an apology it's the Doc...

If he does start apologizing he'll need to start a lot higher up than me....it could take years and years before he gets down to me.

I'm okay with that.

this started out being an interesting thread...

now it has been trashed by ego driven, self serving sociopaths...

would you guys go defecate elsewhere?

Ed did anyone mention Ed or the torch

I hear you guys nicknamed the color case torch ol'fire and brimstone...is that true ?

more often than not, potentially good threads like this one are diverted by the self focused few here, who seem to revel in launching personal attacks against others here...

why should we, the majority here, have to endure this constant hijacking of threads by those few here who seem to have an out of control need to impose their off topic views on the rest of us?

You mean by people like you that post un-needed comments on useless threads like this one?

Since Keith so enjoys my (mostly) Puritan quotations, here's a good one. John Bunyan "A Discourse Touching Prayer", 1662
"Therefore give me leave a little to reason with thee, thou poor, blind, ignorant sot."

I have at times not debated "with humility and respect" (1 Peter 3:15) and for that I apologize. But wallowing with the pigs gets old (Matthew 7:6 - did Jesus really say that?? The context BTW is evangelistic discernment), and eventually you start to smell like them.
Sad statement when a factual thread regarding the decisions involved in choosing to shoot damascus barrels is deemed "useless" on a double gun forum. I think it's really hopeless.
I'll hang out because there are a number of very knowledgeable gentleman here with a great deal of apparently useless stuff to contribute.

If jOe posts more calumny, I'll stifle the urge to retaliate. For the record Grace Ministries is too small time to be a 501c3. My wife and I (mostly) buy all this food, and none of my expenses are tax deductible, nor are we supported financially by a local church
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As I posted previously, if someone would like my opinion regarding a pattern welded barrel they could post full size high resolution images here
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=470696
or email the images by jpg attachment to drewhausemd@yahoo.com