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I agree with CZ. Dave is addressing this from a driven shooting and he is well know for his kills at extreme ranges. As I have mentioned in the past, last year there was an article in Fieldsports Magazine where a guy wanted a 28 bore set up for extreme pheasants. He purchased a Perazzi and had the chokes tuned to kill birds at 60 yards. In the article it seems it turned out successful. I have read articles in the UK Sporting magazines where they have clubs that shoot partridges one day a season with 410's.
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I think he was using a Yildiz over and under. I do not have experience with these guns but I think the barrels would play some into the results as the ammo you use. He admitted he was using ammo he was not sure of the origin of. The quality of the shot and powder would make for odd results.
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My Yildiz .410 S x S is perfectly regulated and shoots beautiful patterns. I have killed many limits of doves with it, with 1/2 oz. and 11/16 oz. loads. The days of being safe dissing guns without trying them, that are sold cheaply, have passed away. I can show Yildiz patterns if interested, but won't go to the trouble if no one is.
I think the biggest problem with what Carrie showed is the quality of the shell used and the question of choke.
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Stan, is that a factory 3/4 load or one of your reloads? I would like to have the recipe if it is a reload. Wonderful pattern on the Pattern on the pattern board!
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If you want to shoot .410 in the field you must put in the time and effort to find out what works for you and your gun. Cheap shells, soft shot, poor choke selection will make a .410 a very frustrating choice which will result in too many misses or lightly hit birds. Everyone needs to get better at range estimation. Those who shoot Sporting Clays have already started reading target flight paths better than most. Just to think you can pickup a .410 and shoot it well you better have tons of God given talent because without pratice you will fail.
I shoot .410 at Sporting Clays, 16 yard trap and Skeet. Some think Im shooting a 28 or 20 because when I do my part it smokes birds. Its practice, fine tuning gun, ammo and shooter. When I reload .410 I will load 1,000 to 1,500 in a sitting. Practice with good stuff makes all the difference to me.
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He sent me a message as he was using 3/4 choke
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Stan, is that a factory 3/4 load or one of your reloads? I would like to have the recipe if it is a reload. Wonderful pattern on the Pattern on the pattern board! That picture is a pattern made with the WW factory 3/4 oz. load, and my 30" barreled I. Rizzini Verona. I am working on a 3/4 oz. handload of my own in a 3" Cheddite hull and having 3/4 oz. of true nickel plated 8s. I'll start a thread on it after having patterned it. SRH
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Range of your .410 pattern? Choke for your gun you are testing.
Years ago, when I was shooting a lot of Skeet with a .410 to cure a flinch, I had a set of tubes made by Briley. In them I had choke tubes made with .002 increasing amounts of chokes from true cylinder up to .026 constriction. Nothing much above .020 pattern well with what loads I was reloading at the time or factory shells for that matter. With factory Remington shells .012 and .016 was real good for doubles. Anything from .008 to .016 worked well for Skeet. For 16 yard trap I found .016 to .020 worked well but saw no advantage much above .020. With 300MP I bet that my results would be even better. Back then we had 2400, 296/H110 and IMR4227 as our basic powders.
Are true nickel plated 8's that much harder than high quality magnum shot? And do they weigh less? Does it take more room to get a full 3/4 ounce in shell? You are starting a very interesting project I think.
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I spoke to Dave and he chuckled, he thought the video would cause comment . It is his yard and only him and the cameraman present. The cartridges were Hull a rival company to his sponsor Gamebore ! Yet more to come.
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Keep in mind that choke is not so much a matter of thousandths of an inch of constriction as it is a matter of percentage of bore reduction. .020" in a .410 bore gives the same % of reduction as .035" in a 12 gauge. With more constriction than this is a .410 you were likely encountering an "Overchoke" condition.
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