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Thanks for the pics Steve and everything else you do for our trade. It does not go un-noticed. Those look like some pleased faces. Great progress too in only a week's time.

Many thanks for the kind words and encouragement. It is much appreciated and I will continue to do what I do to continue advancing quality craftsmanship and awareness of a dwindling trade.
Comments on what you see in the pics is welcome!

Billy, I get (and give) a whole lot more good information from the DIY Gunsmithing forum... FOR FREE... than I do from Steven's self serving no cost advertising he does here for his stock making classes. I already knew about single flute gun drills used for deep hole drilling, and I certainly know about vises. Unlike Steven, I even know the difference between a vise and a vice. And I agree with Brian Dudley about the usefulness of a pattern makers vise with pivoting jaws for holding items with non-parallel surfaces.

You can try once again to read the intended content for this sub-forum... and guess what Billy... free advertising of stock making classes for personal gain ain't in it. Contrary to your plaintive cries, stock making is nowhere near becoming a lost art. And I certainly have no problem with those gunsmiths who freely share advice and information without taking advantage of Dave. My comment was driven by the hypocrisy of Steven making judgements about which topics and posts are appropriate in a particular forum, and then violating his own standards for personal financial gain. But your comments and concern is understandable, considering your habit of launching personal attacks and posting false information in the Double Shotgun forum, and then retreating here to hide under Steven's shop apron.

A much better source of information on stock making that certainly isn't near as costly as these classes is this book. I highly recommend it:

Keith. I have looked at your recent posts and have seen nothing that would make me believe your claim of you posting useful information. Just a recommendation of a book by an author who if I had read any of his internet posts before I bought the book I certainly would not have given him one red cent of my money. Steve has been a contributor to this forum for many years. If some of his information sharing comes in the form of an infomercial, I have no problem with that. I do not view them as selling, as much as just sharing what he is doing which is what this forum is for. He certainly is not going to get rich off the few people that frequent this forum. If you are so concerned about Dave, maybe you should consider whether your posts are bringing more people to his forum, or pushing them away.

John Holliger

Thanks for your comments John. I gave my reason for confronting Stevens hypocrisy and his self serving promotion for personal financial gain. In the interest of fairness, perhaps you should dig a little deeper to see if I have contributed any useful information. A while back, in response to an accusation similar to yours, craigd provided a bunch of links to posts I made that he found helpful and informative. Predictably, the time he spent offering proof fell on deaf ears. You obviously haven't looked very hard. And then you could do the same to see what Steven's little friend Billy contributes when he isn't hiding here in this sub-forum, pretending to be a gun guy:













With your "Gasgunner" screen name, I'd assume you might be partial to semi-auto's. Billy sure isn't, and seldom misses an opportunity to bash them and offer his support for the anti-gunners who wish to ban them:





And here's Billy comparing Buzz's desire to buy an AR-15, before they get banned again, to buying heroin:



And here's one where Billy accused me of lying and also made the ridiculous assertion that an MMC Checkering Tool which runs at 17,000 rpm requires no lubrication for its' tiny gears and bearings. Useful indeed... if your goal is to destroy an expensive precision tool.



But once again... none of this has anything to do with the intended topics for this sub-forum. And I'm pretty sure your mind is made up. Even so, David Westbrook's book "Professional Stockmaking" will provide anyone here a lot more useful information on stock making than anything Steve has shown us here in his free advertisements for his classes. I've read your second sentence several times, and still don't understand what you were saying. But I think it means you like Steven, and disapprove of my responding to his recent attack on me, and because of that, you reject my plug for Westbrook's book. If you are into making gun stocks, that is your loss. But here is what some others have had to say about it. Reprinted in 2011:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=129412&page=1

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/287366/professional-stockmaking-book-by-david-l-wesbrook

Simply put, Keith is an embarrassment and just a brown streak in the underpants of this community. The saddest and most pathetic part about it is that i don�t think he even realizes it.

Que the quotes and attacks...

Thank you John and Brian, but there is no need to defend me.

Unfortunately, the Ignore feature is required on this Forum because the owner insist on non-regulation even in cases that clearly destroy the entire experience. He would rather see this forum destroyed from within that simply give the idiots and trolls the boot that they deserve.

To activate the Ignore feature: Click on the highlighted name, click on View Profile, the look for the Ignore This user and click on that.

Then bask in the relative freedom from idiots and trolls~~~
Responding to the idiots and trolls only gives them reason to continue. They obviously lack in attention and are willing to demean themselves to garner any.

Steve's photos remind me I have been meaning to build a bench horse. I use a free standing support like shown in his pictures for one end of a gun but more ways to hold things is always helpful. I seem to vaguely remember a tip in gunmaker for increasing the usefulness of a standard vise by using a pipe and some custom made wood blocks. I think Dennis Potter wrote about it. I might need to did that up over the holiday, it looked handy.

Hi guys,
I have been a member here for just over seven years and have enjoyed most of the contributions of knowledgeable people who share their knowledge freely and help others who might need advice.

Not personally knowing either of the protagonists involved here, I must say that I enjoy, and learn a lot more useful bits of knowledge and workmanship from Stevens contributions than from the other guy!

It is a pity that these things seem to happen in most forums I have come across - we are supposed to be a group of like-minded people sharing a common interest.
There can always be a disagreement - I have disagreed with a lot of advice which I thought wrong, also people have disagreed with me.
But people (there are two or three here - without naming names) who seem to make it their hobby to cause grief in a group like this should not be tolerated!
They probably have nothing else to do and enjoy (for once) being the center of interest.

It leads to members (like me) losing interest in the forum involved.

Just my two cents from the other side of the pond

Gunter
Rochester, England
Life Member NRA (US) 1974
Certified Pistol Instructor NRA (US) 1981
Life Member British Pistol Club 1976
Founder Member Nat'l Pistol Association (UK) 1979
Centre Fire Pistol Champion Kenya 1975
(before anyone asks: since 1997 we cannot have/shoot handguns in the UK! therefore I have changed over to rifle and shotgun shooting/hunting)

Yes he is. There is something very wrong with him, but I have trouble feeling bad for him.

Why Dave wont fix the problem is beyond me, but he won't get any of my money to support the forums until he does.