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Great stuff. Thank you, as that solves the "WK" mystery. Who actually gets credit for "making" guns like this one? If I'm asked "who made your gun" is there a way of having an answer to that question?

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Thanks - the other way did not work for me. If anyone needs more photos posted I will use that way.

Got great info in just one day. You guys (and gals) are amazing. I guess the final things I'm looking for (if possible) are the name of the "gun maker" - and the date (year?) it was made - if those are even possible to figure-out from the markings or any other clues the gun may provide.

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Fella:

Below is some text on the Kerner - Anson(Deeley Body Action) platform w/ 1/2 pipe side-frame reinforcement. When you view the back of the frame it is the pin/screw configuration that gives it away. You should be able to search this site w/ the term Kerner & find all the info you desire. To point to a specific Suhl mechanic, you'll have to go over the example w/ a fine toothed comb/glass & look for initials & related touchmarks. These may be under the rib, back of the action under the stock, etc.


"Below is Axel E.'s opinion on the platform:"

"This is Emil Kerner's improvement on the Anson and Deeley boxlock. By relocating the sear detents from the bottom of the hammers to the rear tops, as far away from the fulcrum as possible, Kerner greatly reduced the pressure the detents have to hold. The improved leverage makes secondary intercepting sears unnecessary. Simson/BSW incorporated Kerner's top-hinged sears into their boxlocks in the 1930s. Since then these sears became the Suhl industry standard. All post-WW2 Simson and Merkel boxlocks feature Kerner's sears. Barthold's "Jagdwaffenkunde", the GDR time textbook for gunmaker apprentices, show no other boxlock design."

"Below are a few DRGMs issued to the Kerners:

Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 169054 - Drei aus dem Abzugsblech ange ordnete Hammerschlösser mit ansrechtstehenden Schlagsedern am Selbstspanner Dreiläufergewehr deren Mittelschloß selbstthätig gesichert und beim Entsichern die verbind von Schloßstange mit Abzug herstellt - Ernst Kerner Suhl in TH - January 27th 1902

Sicherungsklappe

Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 200945 - Unter Federdruck stehende, seitlich über springende Sicherungsklappe der Schloßstangen an Mehrlaufgewehren, die beim Vorgehen des am Stengel des Umstellers angelenkten Tragschiebers mit Zwischenstauge zurückgedrückt entsichert - Emil Kerner - May 5th 1903

Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 193622 of Feburary 2nd 1903 held by Emil Kerner was for some cartridge trap innovation

Gebrauchsmuster - DRGM - 531992 - Vom Schlossblech unabhängiges Nachspannschloss. Ernst Kerner, Suhl

******"Gebrauchsmuster - DRGM - 531992 - Vom Schlossblech unabhängiges Nachspannschloss. Ernst Kerner, Suhl - Me thinks this just might be the culprit????*******"

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post495354

Until then, it was made in Suhl by a subcontractor-mechanic to Robert Schüler.

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muddy22,
The word is not Lauer, instead it is Lauf, which means barrel in German. Absent ID markings, it is very difficult to find out who the actual maker is. It may not be possible to find a date of manufacture, closer than the range of dates above. If you post another photograph of the entire area of the bottom of the rifle barrel, where the 7.8/57 is located; I will give it a try.
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Well, not to overlook anything
You have review your drilling in light of below?

http://www.shotguns.se/html/germany_1890-1945.html

Evaluate items #6 and #29

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Can you check to see if your receiver is made of Dural( Aluminum)? Maybe with a magnet. The discs at the firing pins are common (necessary) in Dural receivers. If so it could narrow the search for maker and time.
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Mike:
Did magnet test - it sticks to the receiver. I also took your advice and checked for a number below the 7.8 57 markings on the underside of the barrell - and found 1236. Guessing that means the gun was manufactured in Dec. of 1936. Please confirm.
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Muddy22,
Dec.36 is correct.
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Thanks. I think I've gotten about as much info on this gun (outside of the actual maker - and owner) that I can get at this point. I thank all of you again. Waiting to hear back from a few auction sites to see if they can do an appraisals to determine its value.

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Good on ya !!
Start your value education here

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=german%20drilling


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